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Official Hobbit Review Thread #31 - Seeing it again this week, or for the first time? Post your reviews here!

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Dec 23 2012, 1:56pm

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Official Hobbit Review Thread #31 - Seeing it again this week, or for the first time? Post your reviews here! Can't Post

Have you seen The Hobbit: And Unexpected Journey for the first time, or again? Perhaps in a different format? Post your review in this thread (we're trying to keep them in one place).

FYI, we'll probably keep these going through sometime next week to give Aussies, parents with kids getting out of school, and everyone else who hasn't seen the movie yet a chance to post their reviews. If your review is back in one of the first review threads, feel free to re-post it here for reading and discussion.

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"I desired dragons with a profound desire"

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Dec 23 2012, 2:04pm

Post #2 of 19 (818 views)
I have now seen the film in 3D HFR, 2D and 3D 24fps. [In reply to] Can't Post

And here are a few remarks:

- The film just gets better and better with ever viewing. I think it's a beaituful film. Fantastic. Marvellous. Brilliant. I really have very few problems with the film. Any problems I have are very minor niggles (Bombur not saying anything, Rivendell flying by, and so on).
- There was one moment that really stuck out for me last night, that hasn't really done before - the moment Gollum realises Bilbo has the Ring. It sent shivers down my spine. The whole Riddles in the Dark scene is great. I would like the other riddles in the EE, but the scene is perfect without them as well.
- Evertything from Rivendell to the end is just great. I'm still on the edge of my seat even after 3 viewings of the film. And I love the beginning. Nobody can say they haven't tried to remain faithful to the book.
- I'm surprised Robert Kazinsky doesn't have a credit at the end ... you can see him so many times (and sometime it is very obvious)! Poor O'Gorman!
- I have no problems with Azog at all - I think his CGI is just as good as Gollum. So good, he could be real and not CGI. Out of the three different formats, he looked best in 2D.
- I just love Radagast. I can't help but smile when he's on screen (despite the obvious deviation from the book). The White Council sub-plot excites me, so I look forward to seeing what happens in TDOS and TABA.
- Galadriel is perfect, as always.
- My first screening of the films was in HFR, and I proclaimed I "hated" it. Now ... during the screening last night (in 3D 24fps), I had many of the same problems as with the HFR screening ... Confirming my suspicion that it's not the HFR I don't like, it's the CGI & 3D combination I don't like. Again, the prolgue was awful, almost unwatchable. It just looks so fake. And yet, in 2D, it looked marvellous.
Will it ever be possible to have a 2D HFR screening? I think that would be the perfect combination for me.
- And as with my other two viewings, I didn't want the film to end. I wanted it to carry on. It's hooked me. And I want MORE!

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Dec 23 2012, 3:06pm

Post #3 of 19 (794 views)
Third Viewing [In reply to] Can't Post

I love it more each time. I saw it the first time in 3D and the other times in 2D. All were regular speed, I believe.

This time I really appreciated Balin. Not that I didn't before, mind you, but he really was great and stood out for me this time. Love him.

The trolls and Rivendell were also even better for me this time. I love Kili and Fili's bit with Bilbo before and Kilo and Thorin's bits later as well as the Dwarves fighting the Trolls and Bilbo's trying to delay the Trolls. Love it when he glimpses Gandalf.

Riveldell! Elrond! I love the look on Bilbo's face when he first sees it. I hope we get more of Bilbo in Rivendell in the EE.

I also love the prologue, of course, and the dinner with the Dwarves. You really get to see a good it of Bag End here and the Dwarves are great. The prologue is so stunning. It really set things up well for the story of the Dwarves.

Riddles in the Dark was also amazing and I loved the end, from Thorin and Bilbo to the Eagles, to that thrush and Smaug's eye.

I actually didn't mind Radagast as much this time. I even liked him. That is how he would be.

I still don't care for the whole Azog thing but I suppose it keeps the action constant. I can't wait for the next movie.

Oh, this was my mother's second viewing and she loved it as well. I may see it a fourth time this coming week.

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Dec 23 2012, 6:23pm

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Saw it for the second time, this time in 2D. [In reply to] Can't Post

Without the clear, cold 48fps and 3D, The Hobbit became the Middle-earth I remembered from LOTR. I really do admire 48fps in 3D - it's a fascinating experience - but I still prefer my Middle-earth in warm 2D. (Although the Erebor scenes were really blurring in 2D - I missed 48fps then!)

Second time watching, I enjoyed the movie even more than the first time around. Although it's still a long film! I find that I'm fidgeting by the time they get to Goblin Town.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

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Dec 23 2012, 6:29pm

Post #5 of 19 (719 views)
Seeing it twice - in ordinary 3D and 48 fps [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd like to say that I love the film.
It's very-very good. 48 fps worked perfect for me. It was so incredibly real, I can't even describe! Love it. No headache or any discomfort. Only pleasure from the picture.
I gave some troubles with Bilbo character, but now I'm ok with it. Only trolls scene bothers me - I don't like snot and parasites talkings at all. And one more I cannot excuse - Bilbo's leaving dwarves in the cave. I cannot believe it. I wish this scene to be Bilbos moment when he saves lives of his friends by screaming - and not cowardly moment when he leaves them in danger! Dwarves are great, Radagast is wonderful, Gandalf is the same Gandalf etc. Like the humour most times.
Orks and goblins are ok for me, but wargs are too CGI. Almost same for eagles in some moments.
In general - movie was worth to wait for 10 years, it was great. But still there are some moments that could be done better IMO. But it's not me who decide, anyway. It is as good as LOTR, but I thought it would be better. Nevertheless - the greatest film of a decade, for sure.

...and the sound of the kettle on his hearth was ever after more musical than it had been even in the quiet days before the Unexpected Party

Welcome back to Middle-Earth!!!

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Aragalen the Green

Dec 23 2012, 6:30pm

Post #6 of 19 (726 views)
So would it be a good idea to keep... [In reply to] Can't Post

the sugary caffeinated carbonated drinks to a minimum?


" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


Dec 23 2012, 6:56pm

Post #7 of 19 (735 views)
some good, some not so much. . . [In reply to] Can't Post

I saw it in HFR "Real 3D" RPX. It was brilliant! Having said that, I feel that 3D does nothing for the movie, but then I tend to feel that way about all the 3D movies I've seen. I find it distracting. Upon reflection, I think that may be because it demands so little of my own imagination to fill in the spaces. It makes me more of a passive viewer rather than an engaged participant. I do admire Peter Jackson for thinking outside the box, though.

As for the movie - well, Martin Freeman was perfect. Richard Armitage was absolutely outstanding and Thorin will be the reason I re-watch this movie and look forward to the next. Armitage's Thorin is captivating . Mesmerizing! The dwarves were very well played - very well played indeed.

Riddles in the dark was a great scene, perhaps the best scene of all, really, but I sorely missed the fish riddle. Was I snoozing? Was it included? To me it was the most memorable one, since it connects The Hobbit to LOTR as Gollum leads Frodo and Sam from the Emyn Muil to the dead marshes. Even so, this scene was straight out of my head onto the screen and I loved it.

I thought that Azog was just awful - suitably maniacal but unfortunately really, really fake looking and so, to me at least, unbelievable, ripping me out of the story and reminding me that this was an FX film. Lurtz was menacing; Azog was not. I also disliked the portrayal of Radagast as silly, cross-eyed and spaced out, encrusted in bird poop and mushing rabbits. I suppose that was put in for the kiddies. I am not a purist but I feel that was decidedly over the top. He was Maiar, after all. Saruman may have dismissed him as a fool but that was because he was more interested in flora and fauna than politics or power. I did not expect to see an Istari portrayed in such a farcical manner.

Having said that, I expect a certain amount of FX and silliness from Peter Jackson. Wilhelm screams, collapsing bridges spilling hordes of orcs into this or that abyss, some slapstick stuff here and there - it's all par for the course. This is the man who made Meet the Feebles.

I will confess to being bored at the beginning - it seemed long, and I think less would have been more. Once the dwarves showed up the pace quickened, and once Thorin arrived I was completely engaged.

So - I'll see it again, but probably only once or twice. I'll look forward to the next film but brace myself a bit for more FX, collapsing bridges and perhaps even another Wilhelm scream or two.

The main thing - the wonderful thing - is that despite all those departures this is still a wonderful representation of The Hobbit and we can look forward to more of this world brought to life! Thank you, Jackson & Co.!

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Dec 23 2012, 6:58pm

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Oh ha ha! [In reply to] Can't Post

If you know Calvin and Hobbes, you'll know what this means:



Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.

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Aragalen the Green

Dec 23 2012, 7:06pm

Post #9 of 19 (675 views)
Oh got it! [In reply to] Can't Post

Love Calvin and Hobbes Wink

" Well well!", said a voice. "Just look! Bilbo the hobbit on a pony, my dear! Isn't it delicious!"
"Most astonishing wonderful!"


Dec 23 2012, 7:15pm

Post #10 of 19 (704 views)
A 2D HFR screening IS possible [In reply to] Can't Post

If you were to wear a pair of 2D glasses at a 3D HFR screening ... et voila! 2D at 48fps - I honestly haven't tried it but I guess it should work Wink


Dec 23 2012, 8:59pm

Post #11 of 19 (659 views)
Silly question ... [In reply to] Can't Post

What are 2D glasses, and where can I get them?

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Dec 23 2012, 9:42pm

Post #12 of 19 (648 views)
I know! [In reply to] Can't Post

In Reply To
What are 2D glasses, and where can I get them?

They're in the same aisle as the left-handed spoons.

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Dec 23 2012, 10:26pm

Post #13 of 19 (686 views)
2nd viewing review [In reply to] Can't Post

Just finished seeing it my 2nd time. IMAX 3D HFR! first viewing was in 24, 2D.

Loved it first time, loved it even more this time!

In my first review, I gushed and raved about the things I liked about it, without a single negative point. I won't repeat that here. Instead I'll go the other way and mention one thing that may have lifted me out of the movie a bit, and it applies to both viewings:

the glowing / non-glowing blades issue. Gandalf explicitly tells Bilbo that his blade is of Elvish make, which means glowing blue when Orcs or Goblins are near.

And that made it distracting later, when Glamdring and Orcrist failed to glow while surrounded by Goblins.

In fairness, my viewing companion said that they turned the color blue, albeit faintly so. I was watching for it but didn't see it that way.

Anyway, I don't have a problem that they didn't glow (much?) Glamdring's lack of glow makes sense from similar lack in FOTR. Orcrist's lack of (much?) glow makes Sting's shine unique and special.

Also Sting. It glowed bright blue at the right times, except at about the beginning of Out of the Frying Pan when he's attacked by one of the first Wargs. It was definitely not glowing nor was it blue. But then again maybe the Orcs weren't "near" enough at that point? I suppose that's possible but it seems implausible. Those Orcs were closing in and managed to arrive fairly soon after.

Later on in that sequence it did glow. So it seems to have been a proximity issue. But then, what is the proximity range for the glow effect? Could it really be that short a radius? I suspect that it was an error, like the failure to make Glamdring glow in FOTR.

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Dec 23 2012, 11:50pm

Post #14 of 19 (633 views)
Really enjoyed it! [In reply to] Can't Post

Seen it in Imax, 28fps. The only downside to that was that we ended up in the front row, way too close for such a big screen!

Overall I really enjoyed the film. Great character's, music and sequences. I didn't find the change in tone to jarring, it would have been wrong if the film didn't have a whimsical side, but I'm glad they found room for some of the more serious matters. The CGI was off course very impressive, the Trolls, Wargs and Eagles looked great but the real winner was Gollum, couldn't believe the leaps and bounds Weta had made with him. I thought Azog looked good, but not too the same level as some of the other creatures.

One of the few downsides I can think of was the lack of lines and screen time for some of the Dwarves and I'm not 100% decided on Radaghast yet. I felt he was a bit over played at times, but I did like that he got a chance to show a slight heroic and capable side.

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Dec 24 2012, 12:40am

Post #15 of 19 (639 views)
When Bilbo left the dwarves in Goblintown [In reply to] Can't Post

I saw it more like he realized he could escape when no one else could, and then he was following them, prepared to think of a way to rescue them. Then he got attacked by a goblin and fell down the hole to Gollum's cave. So I don't think it was meant to be cowardly. Just my interpretation, though.


Dec 24 2012, 10:26am

Post #16 of 19 (572 views)
Apparently, someone whom 3D wasn't suited for him [In reply to] Can't Post

decided to grab a pair of 3D glasses and swap the right lens from one, with the left lens of the other. Therefore you end up with one pair of glasses reading only the left image and another reading only the right image - hence 2D!

You can make them yourself or else, you can find them on various sites even on Amazon. Just google 2D glasses Cool

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJHX5ip68p4

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Dec 24 2012, 10:33am

Post #17 of 19 (564 views)
Would the same happen ... [In reply to] Can't Post

If you closed one eye?

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Dec 24 2012, 11:52am

Post #18 of 19 (560 views)
Yes, that would have the same effect but [In reply to] Can't Post

it might be a bit tricky to keep an eye closed for almost 3 hours Tongue


Dec 25 2012, 8:10am

Post #19 of 19 (618 views)
We came, we saw, we liked [In reply to] Can't Post

Saw it in Atmos48fps3D, liked it, it also held the kids' interest the whole way through. My 6yo daughter was explaining what was going on to my my wife (who hadn't read the book), my 8yo son and his best friend enjoyed the heck out of it, though my son was ticked when he found out it was a year wait for the next installment -- he wanted to sit in the theater until pt 2 started.

I will say the 3D bothered me much, much less than any other 3D movie I've ever seen: one of my eyes is strongly dominant and up through Avatar I've found the technology kind of annoying. The Hobbit's theater technology didn't flip out if you tilted your head a little, a nice thing for a 3hr movie.

8 years of HDTV seems to have inocculated me against the HFR, but the the insane "camera" work for the goblin town combat/escape was almost more than I could process in one viewing. I need to see it again. Maybe I'll bring my dad: he read the book to me over 40 years ago, so I owe him.

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