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burgahobbit
Rohan
Dec 16 2012, 4:21pm
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Hello eveyone, it's been a little while since I posted here (about two weeks, which isn't really that long). But I have a question about the wargs smashing into the trees and knocking them over like dominoes. That was one of my least favorite things in the film. There was a lot I really liked, but that and the Goblin King's "That would do it." were the things that I really didn't like. I haven't wrote a review yet because I'm waiting until my second screening tonight, and I think I'll enjoy it more.
Anyway, I have a question about Out of the Frying Pan. I can't find the screen-caps anywhere, and I don't remember which vlog it was in, but I remember a pine tree with dwarves in it falling onto another tree in one of the videos. My question is, although I know that it was not like this in the film, but were the trees burning in the production video? If anyone can link me to a screencap it would be greatly appreciated. I don't mind if they want the pine trees to fall over but I wish that they would have at least been set on fire like in the book first, and I was wondering if that was the original plan.
P.S. I thought it was very funny that my user name came from Quickbeam's simple mistake and is not actually something in the film. After seeing a ten minute screening in cinema-con, Quickbeam reported that Bilbo and the trolls' said "burgahobbit" instead of "burrahobbit", and I proceeded to adopt that term as my username when joining the forums. Now it turns out that in the film Bilbo really said "burglar-hobbit", and now my username seems much lamer. Thanks a lot Quickbeam! 
“This task was appointed to you, Frodo of the Shire. If you don’t find a way, no one will.” – Lady Galadriel
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burgahobbit
Rohan
Dec 16 2012, 5:06pm
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So no fire, that's what I figured. I'm not quite sure why they chose to do that. It seems like if they burned the trees it would have been more dramatic. Oh well.
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DanielLB
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Dec 16 2012, 5:09pm
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There's another shot of Thorin surrounded by fire
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And that's from that scene as well (As he runs towards Azog). So they did set some on fire.
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Eruonen
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Dec 16 2012, 5:29pm
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Agree, it was one of the scenes that I think PJ got carried away
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with for dramatic, hair raising purposes and maybe 3D HFR impact. I wanted to see Bilbo struggling to get up into a tree and barely make it with pull up at the last second as in the book. The entire falling trees over a chasm was just too much for me. As in the Goblintown and Stone Giant scenes, PJ got carried away and I was taken out of "realistic fantasy" and put into the realm of excess effects. I was also a little dismayed by the Thorin / Azog scene but at least I can understand it from a plotting rational. The Thorin and Bilbo scene was also premature because it takes away from the end BO5A scene. All that said, I still enjoyed the film and look forward to the next installments.
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GoodGuyA
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Dec 16 2012, 5:37pm
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This was one of those incredibly pointless changes
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I understand that they wanted that final confrontation, but what's wrong with just having trees burning? You all ready have the threat of wargs and fire. Why did we need this pointless (and frankly, very cartoony) addition to the action? I'm surprised we never saw this coming, given the couple hints we had about the trees and all. I never expected them to be lying down on their side during all that, and definitely not that it would feel so stupid. Eh... I'm feeling bitter about the whole thing. The whole subplot really messed things up for me.
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MouthofSauron
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Dec 16 2012, 6:51pm
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if they burned the trees the Ents would seek revenge on PJ
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Owned.
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painjoiker
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Dec 16 2012, 9:39pm
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You just named the two thing that I really had a problem with!
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....wargs smashing into the trees and knocking them over like dominoes. That was one of my least favorite things in the film. There was a lot I really liked, but that and the Goblin King's "That would do it." were the things that I really didn't like. Good to see others thought the same as well!
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redgiant
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Dec 17 2012, 3:09am
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The bigger problem with tree dominos
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I wasn't as bothered just in the trees being uprooted by large wargs, esp. trees on a ledge that can't have great deep roots to begin with.
Much more notieable to me was the fact that everyone seemd to maintain height despite the diagonal falling of several trees into each other.
You would obviously be literally at ground level once a couple trees in a row fell into each other even at a slight angle, even if you managed to maintain your grip and transfer to the next tree. There is no time to "reclimb" to maintain the height you just lost in the 3 seconds before the next one falls, repeatedly. That was kind of ridiculous.
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AinurOlorin
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Dec 17 2012, 4:36am
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At first I didn't care for it, but the more I thought about it, the more sense it made. Aside from the presence of a dead orc walking
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named Azog, I actually think some aspects of the scene work a little better than in the book. I almost NEVER say that, but here it is a matter of logistics and practicality, rather than dramatic or character choices. Gandalf is especially skilled with fire enchantments. He can, provided there is anything remotely susceptible to burning in the area, start them up, fan them out, change their colours, make them dance, and put them out. . . he can, from a book perspective, even give waves radiant equine forms. From a purely analyitical perspective, one would think it likely that, even sitting in a tree, he could likely manage a better job of enchanting the fire to act against the goblins than they could do of engineering the fire to trouble him and his friends.
But set up a situation where the tree he is in is dangling on a cliff's edge, and where he also has to concern himself with keeping several dwarves from falling to their deaths, and suddenly the question of why he doesn't put a little more effort into his fire spell becomes much easier to put aside.
Also, grizzly bears are known to rock trees until they fall, and those wargs were bear sized.
Hello eveyone, it's been a little while since I posted here (about two weeks, which isn't really that long). But I have a question about the wargs smashing into the trees and knocking them over like dominoes. That was one of my least favorite things in the film. There was a lot I really liked, but that and the Goblin King's "That would do it." were the things that I really didn't like. I haven't wrote a review yet because I'm waiting until my second screening tonight, and I think I'll enjoy it more. Anyway, I have a question about Out of the Frying Pan. I can't find the screen-caps anywhere, and I don't remember which vlog it was in, but I remember a pine tree with dwarves in it falling onto another tree in one of the videos. My question is, although I know that it was not like this in the film, but were the trees burning in the production video? If anyone can link me to a screencap it would be greatly appreciated. I don't mind if they want the pine trees to fall over but I wish that they would have at least been set on fire like in the book first, and I was wondering if that was the original plan. P.S. I thought it was very funny that my user name came from Quickbeam's simple mistake and is not actually something in the film. After seeing a ten minute screening in cinema-con, Quickbeam reported that Bilbo and the trolls' said "burgahobbit" instead of "burrahobbit", and I proceeded to adopt that term as my username when joining the forums. Now it turns out that in the film Bilbo really said "burglar-hobbit", and now my username seems much lamer. Thanks a lot Quickbeam!
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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burgahobbit
Rohan
Dec 17 2012, 3:31pm
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Just try to be optimistic when you watch it again
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It really helps! After all, there's nothing that we can do to change the movie, and after the shock of seeing the changes the first time, it is a lot easier to accept them the second time through. On Friday I was disappointed, but I really really enjoyed it last night!
“This task was appointed to you, Frodo of the Shire. If you don’t find a way, no one will.” – Lady Galadriel
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