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24fps, but 3D or 2D?

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Rohan

Dec 13 2012, 3:12pm

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24fps, but 3D or 2D? Can't Post

Ok, I've decided I don't want to "ruin" my first viewing with the 48fps. Maybe I'll try it the next time.
But, did anybody see it in 3D at 24fps?
How is the 3D? (I've seen Avatar)
Is it worthy? Is it too stressful for the eyes?
Are the fast scenes messed up by the heavy strobe effect?
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unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 13 2012, 3:19pm

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i dunno but i'd say... [In reply to] Can't Post

2D. unless you're already a big fan of 3D movies and prefer that experience to 2D. PJ hasn't really cared for 3D because of its downsides (at 24 fps 3D hurts a film's color palette and brightness, there is more flickering and strobing, leading to eye-strain) but saw HFR as a solution. if you're seeing it in 24fps 3D you're probably seeing it in the way that Jackson LEAST intended, so i'd either go full-out traditional or fully loaded.


morgenstern
The Shire


Dec 13 2012, 3:29pm

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My biggest concern would be missing some of the subtle details [In reply to] Can't Post

So I want to watch it with eyelid restraints that prevent blinking ( la Alex DeLarge's reconditioning in 'A Clockwork Orange').

I think I can convince a friend to put drops in my eyes for two hours and forty-nine minutes.


imin
Valinor


Dec 13 2012, 3:39pm

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how does frame rate affect brightness? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


RalphDamiani
Rivendell

Dec 13 2012, 3:46pm

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Requesting review [In reply to] Can't Post

I dislike 3d, but I had to buy my tickets for 3d at 24 fps, simply because everything else was sold out for the weekened.
I've not found any review for 3d at this framerate, is it any good, did anyone see it?


Notanelvishname
Lorien

Dec 13 2012, 3:48pm

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Images=light projected in your eyball in an dark environnement. [In reply to] Can't Post

More images=more light


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 13 2012, 3:57pm

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Good choice not seeing it in HFR [In reply to] Can't Post

I absolutely HATED it.

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unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 13 2012, 3:57pm

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well, it doesn't technically... [In reply to] Can't Post

like, the projector is probably still set to the same level of brightness of the bulb that's projecting, whether it's 24 fps or 48, but what's happening is that your eye can see more visual information than what it sees at 24 fps, so there's these gaps...imagine it almost like a series of images with black spaces in between that flow together so quickly you don't know there's black spaces, you just see the motion picture image. but the image is "darker" to your perception than a real-life image would be because you are actually getting less visual information, but you're getting enough that your eyes and brain smooth out the gaps. the "brightness" of the picture wasn't ever really an issue in 2D but suddenly with 3D we're putting shades on in a darkened room and your eyes start straining a lot more. with 48 fps you are given more visual information and so, in a sense, there are less black spaces in the moving image...thus it can seem "brighter," in addition to the reduction in strobing, flickering, blur, etc.


The Preciousss
Bree

Dec 13 2012, 4:31pm

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I saw it yesterday in 24fps 3d [In reply to] Can't Post

because when I bought the tickets, they did not know which of the two theaters had the HFR projector and he one I got was in 24fps. It was ok, but the 3d was really subtle. It was not as good as Avatar, but neither as bad as the converted Clash of the titans. To be honest, at times I had to lift the glasses to see if it was indeed a 3d movie. I think that it if you want to see it in 24fps, it does not really make a difference, if you get 3d or not. It neither adds, nor distracts from the experience. Will watch HFR sometime next week, my brother in law loved it...


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Dec 13 2012, 4:37pm

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nooooo [In reply to] Can't Post

watch it at 48fps with 3d, its amazing, you forget about it after 10 minutes, ad i think its better, you can just see more action with more information!!!!

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RalphDamiani
Rivendell

Dec 13 2012, 4:37pm

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Thank you. [In reply to] Can't Post

So I assume I won't be losing much. Did it feel blurry or like the colors were muted, perhaps the strobing disturb you in some way?

I'm really not used to seeing 3d stuff and was only considered it out of curiosity. I watched Avatar in 3d, and although it was interesting, I felt eye strain and headaches by the end of it.


Jax_Teller
Rivendell

Dec 13 2012, 4:48pm

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Saw it in HFR 3D [In reply to] Can't Post

It was fantastic, jaw-dropping really, but my brother didnt like the look at all even if he acknowledges that it does serve a purpose in some scenes.

It looks hyper real and I usually loathe that video look kinda, I'm an advocate of 24 fps, but it is so immersive, I felt the trolls were real, Gollum was real, Goblins as well, truly impressive stuff and the action scenes look so smooth and detailed and impressive.

I feel it's gonna lack when seeing it again in 24 fps, the mountain giants scene is so unbelievable in 48 fps and it made the 3D (I love 3D, even in 24) brighter, way smoother, comfortable to see.


unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 13 2012, 4:52pm

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if 24 fps 3D doesn't add much then i think it would detract [In reply to] Can't Post

at least in the sense that you would have to wear shades in the theater, which does dim the image a bit and can be plain uncomfortable (especially if you already wear glasses, like me). might as well not pay the extra money.


imin
Valinor


Dec 13 2012, 5:09pm

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Would this not happen with all films other than HFR hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

I mean all films have been 24fps to this point (near enough) whether they were 3D or 2D.

I dont disagree about 3D films being darker - it is the only thing that annoys me about 3D films - i get no eye strain, nausea and i see it as 3D.

The image is darker due to the polarising effects of the glasses combined with cinemas being too cheap to increase the brightness levels on the projectors when showing a film in 3D in comparison to 2D.

If it were the case of 24 fps then it wouldnt really matter if its 3D or not as the limiting factor is the 24fps.

It is a really easy solution to solve - turn up brightness on projector - but cinemas dont want to spend any more than they have to so they leave it.

I can see where you are coming from with 48fps being brighter due to more images but i think its one solution, another would be like i said above - just make it brighter, lol.

Anyway i plan on seeing it in 3d, 3d HFR and 2D so i will report back what i think if anyone cares, lol.


unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 13 2012, 6:38pm

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well [In reply to] Can't Post

you're right that increasing the brightness of the projector, if cinemas were willing to do that (without further raising the price of 3D, it's expensive enough already!), would somewhat address the "brightness" issue. however, artifacts and things like strobing that are bigger issues with the 3D experience than they are with 2D would not be mitigated too much by upping the brightness of the projection. HFR really is the most economical and effective solution to minimizing a lot of the problems with modern 3D, at least currently. whether the trade-off is worth it or whether you'd rather just watch it in 2D, anyways, is purely a matter of personal preference. i will try HFR 3D first but look forward to my good old-fashioned 2D 24fps viewing whenever i get a chance to do that.


imin
Valinor


Dec 13 2012, 6:47pm

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Thanks for the reply [In reply to] Can't Post

my post above was woffle and i think i kinda changed my mind half way through about things, lol.

I wonder if i need my eyes tested as i dont have any problems with 3D - i have been looking at books about 1ft from my face for months on end - will need to check it out.

Anyway i am going to watch it in 3D 24fps so i will let you know if it was too dark - (i think it might be a little too dark for my tastes but that is just a guess, i am hoping to be surprised!)


Defiant
Bree

Dec 13 2012, 7:42pm

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2D 24 = win, 3D 48 = win, 3D 24 = lose [In reply to] Can't Post

My advice would be see it in 2D 24 or 3D 48. 3D 24 is a compromise with none of the benefits of either. I have only seen itin 48 and loved it, but those I have spoken to who have seen it both in 48 and 24 3D said the 24 3D was a far inferior and at times uncomfortable. If you like 3D, go 48. if you don't, go 2D 24. I'd avoid 24 3D entirely.


dubulous
Rohan

Dec 13 2012, 9:11pm

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2D [In reply to] Can't Post

So far I've seen it in 24fps 2D and 3D and would absolutely recommend the 2D. I didn't feel like the 3D added anything at all, the glasses just started feeling uncomfortable after the first couple of hours.

Going to see it in 48fps tomorrow.


imin
Valinor


Dec 14 2012, 1:30am

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Saw it in 3d 24 fps [In reply to] Can't Post

looked good.


totoro
Lorien

Dec 16 2012, 5:07am

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I wanted to see it in 2D to compare [In reply to] Can't Post

I saw it in 3D HFR for the midnight showing (with my son) and I thought it looked amazing. It took me some time to adjust.

My wife wanted to see it today and I was hoping to see it in 2D, but after I said how much I liked 3D HFR she, of course, wanted to see that. It was even more amazing this time. After having slept on it (and perhaps because I don't have a TV and rarely watch movies), the HFR took no adjustment the second time. It was AMAZING! My jaw was on the floor. I thought I had "adjusted to it" toward the end of the last film, but I really hadn't. This time, I was adjusted. Words cannot describe. I do not ever want to watch a 24 fps film again because I don't want to risk having to adjust to this stunning beauty ever again.

 
 

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