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So, do you think the first part of the movie drags?
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Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Dec 13 2012, 1:24pm

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So, do you think the first part of the movie drags? Can't Post

I know I do.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 13 2012, 1:31pm

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Perhaps it has one scene too many... [In reply to] Can't Post

but, no, I don't.

Riddles aside, it was far and away my favourite part of the film.


Rolfina
Rivendell


Dec 13 2012, 1:37pm

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No, not exactly [In reply to] Can't Post

It felt a bit clunky (is that the word I'm looking for?) because we have been presented with so many scenes from Bag End already, that it felt weird seeing familiar scenes with new ones, all interwoven and sometimes wondering if the order and placing of familiar quotes actually made sense. I imagine it'll actually feel more fluent on the next watches.


musterd
The Shire

Dec 13 2012, 1:50pm

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I am [In reply to] Can't Post

the complete opposite. Loved the first part of the movie because the character moments are my favourite parts of the film. The action sequences were actually of less interest to me.

Riddles in the Dark was an amazing combination of both.


Azaghâl
Lorien


Dec 13 2012, 1:52pm

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It is by far the best [In reply to] Can't Post

For the first hour or so I felt so immersed in the story. I was back in middle earth. Then it kinda went downhill after the troll scene. From there on it felt more like a drag. It switched around once more with riddles in the dark.

*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Dec 13 2012, 2:14pm

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Funny... [In reply to] Can't Post

it was exactly the opposite for me. The prologue was brilliant btw. But the scenes at Bag End are just way to long for me.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 13 2012, 2:23pm

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Completely the opposite [In reply to] Can't Post

I loved everything about the Bag End scenes and the first hour of it. After the troll scenes I felt it went downhill until they left Rivendell, then it picked up the pace again.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


waaimasjien
Bree

Dec 13 2012, 2:32pm

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Yes! [In reply to] Can't Post

The film as a whole should have been 30 minutes shorter and that has for a large part to do with first hour. I loved the prologue but I think Frodo and Bilbo should have been cut. Then there's this terribly long 'merry gathering' - the worst part of it being so slow is that it makes the songs very awkward. By themselves, the songs are good, but in the context of the film they become an annoyance. Like 'gosh, there was this whole bunch of slapstick and now, instead of getting on with it, they're singing?!'

I also felt the Stone Giants sequence could have been cut. Apart from defying the laws of nature where gravity and body health are concerned, it served absolutely no purpose and felt like Episodic over-the-top action sequence number so-and-so.


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Dec 13 2012, 2:37pm

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Yes... [In reply to] Can't Post

the stone giants disappointed me too. It should have been handled much more subtle, just as in the book, where you are not sure whether or not it really are stone giants tossing rocks or that it's 'just' mountains suffering the weather, if you get what I mean.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 13 2012, 2:43pm

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I don't get it. [In reply to] Can't Post

They sing this song in the book. The dwarves spend one night in Bag End. There is comic relief throughout "An unexpected party". Why rush it? I don't get it. The wonderful "Misty Mountains song" was the perfect ending to that long segment when cut to Bilbo waking up, all alone.



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Dec 13 2012, 2:50pm

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It just takes to long... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think it's like an hour and a half before Bilbo encouters his first danger, the trolls. While in LOTR, which is not at all ''rushed'' the Nazgul are on Frodo's tail after 20 minutes or so.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


Rolfina
Rivendell


Dec 13 2012, 2:52pm

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Wasn't that just a great scene? [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo going to sleep to the tune of that song, then waking up, wandering his empty halls, and you can plainly see his relief turn into puzzlement and then grief over a missed chance of a lifetime. I absolutely loved it.


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 13 2012, 2:55pm

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Great scene // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Azaghâl
Lorien


Dec 13 2012, 2:57pm

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Not really true [In reply to] Can't Post

I just saw the theatrical release during a marathon screening. And it's more like 45-60 minutes into the movie before they get out of the shire.

*Baruk khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!*


Ereinion Nénharma
Lorien

Dec 13 2012, 2:59pm

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Yes... [In reply to] Can't Post

but the danger begins much earlier. With the ring being present and awoken and Nazgul coming for 'Shire, Baggins'.

''Do not fear the shadows, for seeing them means light is near...''


Asy
The Shire


Dec 13 2012, 3:11pm

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Goodness no! [In reply to] Can't Post

None of the film dragged! I really enjoyed the first part and actually wished there were more scenes! I hope the EE has more scenes of the unexpected party Smile

All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.


unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 13 2012, 3:12pm

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lol [In reply to] Can't Post

such a diversity of opinions. and the stone giants scene that some are complaining about? multiple critics (seriously, like ten or so that i've read) talked about that scene as a highlight and fantastic filmmaking. oh man...


morgenstern
The Shire


Dec 13 2012, 3:12pm

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I'm not sure why anyone would think it drags [In reply to] Can't Post

But I do wonder if the EE will include a sufficient number of additional scenes to retroactively push the arrival at Rivendell into the second film.


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Dec 13 2012, 3:16pm

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Short answer: no. [In reply to] Can't Post

Long answer: Hell no.

Really, it did not feel long. It felt exactly as long as it needed to be.

* crunch *


waaimasjien
Bree

Dec 13 2012, 3:24pm

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Because it's not a book, it's a film. [In reply to] Can't Post

One element of film's specificity is that it is a medium that plays in time. The way the events in the film are structured and distributed in time is fundamental for how the film plays as a whole in the end.

In a way, it can be compared to telling a joke: there is no scientific rule for it, but everyone feels that if you take an hour to get to the punchline of a joke that can be told in a minute, the audience will have wandered off.

So yes, in the end it's entirely subjective, but I think most people who have seen their share of films or have studied it will agree with me.

I'm not saying it has to be rushed, it just should be more condensed than it is now.


(This post was edited by waaimasjien on Dec 13 2012, 3:25pm)


unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 13 2012, 3:43pm

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there are a lot of different rhythms and breaks that a film can employ [In reply to] Can't Post

it's not even close to a science. i studied film myself and if we agree not to define how a film should be cut based on its genre, then we can allow a movie like The Hobbit to take its time in getting going (especially when, proportionately, 45 minutes isn't nearly too long to set the stage for a 9-hour adventure). the LotR movies had plenty of passages that may have dragged on in the sense of traditional action-adventure film pacing, but those passages were true to the nature and character of the story and the world-building that was happening. it gives these films some of their character, a character lacking in your average blockbuster.

now, i am of the opinion that the LotR EEs, at times, did push things a little too far in the direction of sacrificing pacing, as momentum that was building up towards a climax often got thrown out the window by some long extra scene introduced late. with complaints for The Hobbit's pacing being mostly relegated to the introductory part of the story, though, i'm not worried. like i said, i think it only appropriate that this beginning part of this long adventure be given some time to breathe and amble.

what will be very interesting to see is how they handle the beginning of DOS. Beorn's stuff is lovely in the book but i imagine they are going to have to do a fair bit of "adapting" to make that material work as the start for movie two.


Shagrat
Gondor

Dec 13 2012, 3:48pm

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Nothing dragged [In reply to] Can't Post

I was immersed by it all. I would only add; not subtract.


dormouse
Half-elven


Dec 13 2012, 3:54pm

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No, not at all [In reply to] Can't Post

Have just come back from seeing it, and loved it.

I'm delighted they took their time because it meant we did get things like the 'Good morning' conversation which people felt would be left out. There were one or two tiny bits of dialogue that seemed a bit out of place but I can't even remember what they were now. Otherwise I think the film is breathtaking and I can't wait to see it again - and from the reactions in the cinema, others thought so too.

It made me laugh, it made me cry (and there aren't many films that do that). I think it's brilliant. (There's even a moth.....)


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 13 2012, 4:03pm

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I just came back too dormouse! [In reply to] Can't Post

And agree with everything. Absolutely, 100%, AMAZING.

I couldn't wish for anything better. I was surprised by how fast it went.

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namarie
Rohan


Dec 13 2012, 4:12pm

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nope [In reply to] Can't Post

I finally saw the movie last night.
I didn't felt that the movie dragged in the first part at all.
I loved that they took their time with Bag End, I even felt that it was too short and I wanted more.

Same for Rivendell :)


There is always hope

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