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esheming
Bree


Dec 12 2012, 1:39am

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Artemis Roach
Bree


Dec 12 2012, 1:43am

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You can make comparisons. [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course you can. For one, expectations were/are different. LOTR was widely perceived throughout the industry to be a colossal studio gamble (read: risk). The subsequent success of LOTR then segued inevitably into a wider industry perception before the first frame was even shot that The Hobbit is a no-brainer, can't lose, can't miss, two-inch putt, lead pipe cinch box office smash.

(It's almost like an under-dog/overdog thing.)


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I don't think we can compare then and now.



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Silverlode
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Dec 12 2012, 3:07am

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Nope...that's the name we gave to the [In reply to] Can't Post

Oathbreakers, the Dead Army that Aragorn brings from the Paths of the Dead. They are green, and when they are storming about at the end of the Pelennor battle, they have a sort of "scrubbing bubbles cleaning up all the scum" quality about them. Wink

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mefansmum
Rivendell

Dec 12 2012, 3:43am

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There are comparisons and comparisons. [In reply to] Can't Post

If things are compared on the basis of a level playing field the comparison has a lot more meaning than when things are compared under a different set of conditions IMO..

The playing field into which the each trilogy has been released seems to be so different to me that comparisons of their reception are of limited value.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Dec 12 2012, 11:08am

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Critics didn't love it. [In reply to] Can't Post

It was liked for the most part but nothing to write home about.


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Harry Potter had the major hype. It had huge promotion. The critics loved it.



imin
Valinor


Dec 12 2012, 1:46pm

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Yeah exactly [In reply to] Can't Post

A quick check on RT shows that the film has a record similar to (just above) the hobbit is getting now. However a lot of the fresh ratings come from long after the film has been released. Go and look at the rotten ratings and over a page worth are from when the film was released in 2001.

HP was widely anticipated and widely publicized but was a bit of a let down in the end with critics being on average in favour but with a very sizable number thinking it wasnt very good.

It (currently) is the same with TH - overall majority of critics like it, but with a substantial (in comparison to other recent films) number of critics disliking it.

The reviews i think will change as the film opens up for general release - especially as fans are seeming to love the hobbit even if critics arent as much.

As for FOTR as soon as it opened it was a critical and commercial success - doesnt matter what the anticipation level was (though i was there and remember it being high) in the end the film was critically a success from the off - this is why people are shocked to see what reviews the hobbit has got (this wasnt in reply to you Estel78 more just the thread in general :) )


Artemis Roach
Bree


Dec 12 2012, 6:30pm

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A quick check on RT shows that the film has a record similar to (just above) the hobbit is getting now. However a lot of the fresh ratings come from long after the film has been released. Go and look at the rotten ratings and over a page worth are from when the film was released in 2001. ...

As for FOTR as soon as it opened it was a critical and commercial success - in the end the film was critically a success from the off - this is why people are shocked to see what reviews the hobbit has got.


I don't understand any of this - and it seems a contradiction. You start by saying Hobbit is receiving "similar" reviews as FOTR, and then end by saying people are in shock because the reviews are NOT similar. I remember the period very well. Top critical assessment of FOTR was almost universally lavish praise, without reservation, in advance of the release.


Artemis Roach
Bree


Dec 12 2012, 6:39pm

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If things are compared on the basis of a level playing field the comparison has a lot more meaning than when things are compared under a different set of conditions IMO..

The playing field into which the each trilogy has been released seems to be so different to me that comparisons of their reception are of limited value.


O-Kay. So, you yourself are proving my point - YOU are comparing "playing fields." That's ONE point of comparison. There are MANY other points of comparison, and they are NEVER of limited value, they are noteworthy. The tragedy of the WTC attacks and prompt escalation to a gloomy Global War on Terror was the shadow that loomed large over FOTR (which is why Viggo Mortensen was always at pains trying to rein in interviewers and remind them they were watching a movie adaptation of a beloved book that had nothing to do with George W. Bush), and to ignore that reality is to ignore reality. That is ANOTHER comparison point, and it has nothing to do with "playing fields."

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