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ZackB
The Shire

Dec 12 2012, 3:22am

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I'm glad I found it and posted it! [In reply to] Can't Post

These type of reviews are the ones we, the fans, should try and focus on. Reviews by people who understand middle earth as a whole and who know the books are usually the best to take to heart.


RalphDamiani
Rivendell

Dec 12 2012, 3:25am

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Well... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm okay with a few cringe-worthy moments. If you recall, FotR had its share of oneliners and tasteless crowd pleasing gags.

(- "You are now The Fellowship of the Ring!" *cues epic fanfare and group pose*)

We just came to forgive them in multiple viewings, as the good material vastly outweights the dodgy one. Hopefully, the same applies for the Hobbit?


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 12 2012, 3:29am

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Yes. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 12 2012, 3:34am

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What does the Goblin King sing about, OOC? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is it a version of "Down down to Goblin-town", or something original? Also, wait...he does a dance number? OY! ShockedTongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


ZackB
The Shire

Dec 12 2012, 3:39am

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Thanks, this is a truly honest review. The best kind of review! [In reply to] Can't Post

The thing you mentioned about Elrond and Saruman discussing the necromancer being a human sorcerer practing dark magic sounds awesome to me for some reason!!


macfalk
Valinor


Dec 12 2012, 3:54am

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I don't remember, but [In reply to] Can't Post

There IS a homage to the old R/B The Hobbit from 1977. When Bilbo & Gandy has their good morning conversation, Gandalf speaks up and says, just like in the cartoon: "I am Gandalf, and Gandalf means...me!"



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 12 2012, 4:05am

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Nice! Thx, looking forward to hearing Gandy utter it! // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Malornarys
Registered User

Dec 12 2012, 4:13am

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Just saw the movie, my impressions [In reply to] Can't Post

Okay, just saw the movie and got some strong impressions from it. Totally can understand know many other reviews and what people talked about. I am a little bit of tired, so sorry if I write like a drunkard.

So, thoughs:

- Movie itself was good. In some ways it was very faithful to book, but there were many added subplots.
- Comedy vs. Brutality. It follows books fairytale-like material and adds many jokes, but goes quickly from extreme comedy to extreme brutality. It was very… surprising to see how after funny and chatty encounter with trolls we see orc Azog destroying his minions head and feeding it to the wargs. It’s also seen everywhere else in the movie: scenes with goblins and Great Goblin are very lighthearted and cartoonish to look at, but after some minutes we see Gollum being all creepy and whacking poor goblin to death with stone. Azog –scenes are always brutal: for example, we have this very cartoonish dwarf king Thor, whose tale as a cartoonish character is ended when Azog finished him with very real decapitation. Transition from fairytale atmosphere to nightmarish one was… strange, little bit disturbing. It was like movie wasn’t sure will it be for young kids or adults.
- Designs. Orcs, goblins and wargs look awesome, but dwarves look strange, out-of-place, cartoon and stupid. I mean, while it’s sure that there wouldn’t be many fangirls screaming out of joy if they had had some identical small hairy men hacking orcs with axes and being all sweaty and bloody, but making everyone look “unique” makes them look just plainly ridiculous. Thorin’s good, but they should have given dude a beard – now he looks just like some hobbit idol who has trained at the gym and carries some armor. From orcs Azog looks fricking epic – to the point I can without any reservations say “I would tap that” – but he may be even “too” good-looking for an orc.
- Story. Now, I could write much about this, but most of stuff is already known. Gandalf recruits Bilbo to be part of Thorin’s company. They travels, encounter trolls and orcs, escape to Rivendell, Gandalf meets the White Council (where Saruman is cool as ****), company goes to the Misty Mountains and gets captured by goblins, Bilbo meets Gollum, company escapes and gets attacked by Azog, eagles come and rescue, movie ends with Smaug opening his eye. Now, some things I observed:
1. Dwarven history is changed. In this story people of Erebor try to reclaim Moria after their exile (there isn’t any note that other Dwarf kingdoms are involved) and dwarf king Thor gets killed in battle. Azog also survives, but Thorin gets his hand. Didn’t really like this, whole Azog humiliating dwarves by desecrating Thor and all dwarf kingdoms rising to the arms in order to get vengeance was something very epic and cool in my eyes.
2. Necromancer being in Dol Guldur seems to be news to the White Council: Saruman speculates that he is some normal human practicing dark magic, but Gandalf fears something else. We also see shadowy figure of Sauron – or something – briefly. Liked this moment.
3. What I didn’t like was how the whole Misty Mountains scenario was handled. Goblins were very, very cartoonish (not design wise): this is mainly because of book also, but it was very hard to take seriously. There were some cheesy lines (like some goblin bowing and calling Great Goblin “your evilness”) and Great Goblin appearing out of nowhere to stop company’s escape, being all “you didn’t thing you could escape me”, only to be quickly killed by Gandalf and giving his opinion by stating before dying “Well, that does the trick.” There was also some other moments when humor went over to the top, but for example the troll scene was handled pretty well.
4. Overall most I liked was moments with Bilbo and Gandalf. The Riddles in the Dark was creepy, funny and interesting at the same time: Martin Freeman knows what he’s doing. Gandalf and added scenes with the White Council are interesting and foreshadow something epic in coming movies. I still don’t know why to bother to bring Azog to the story (as his role could’ve been easily played by Bolg), but I guess we see that in the future.

And oh yeah, Thranduil gives impression of being a jerk. In the next movie we see more of that, I guess.


(This post was edited by Silverlode on Dec 12 2012, 4:53am)


markdarb
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Dec 12 2012, 4:14am

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My thoughts (with major spoilers) [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm lucky enough to live in New Zealand so I watched the movie today.

The characters were very endearing. There was some lovely bantering between Old Bilbo and Frodo. Smeagol was especially well played in the Riddles in the Dark scene. Young Bilbo exceeded my expectations. The scenes with the dwarves at Bag End were especially wonderful. Goblin-town made for a fun sequence.

Unfortunately, I felt let down by the additions to the story.

The worst was the addition of Azog as the overarching villain in the film. In Tolkien's Middle-earth, Azog had already been killed by Dain at the Battle of Azanulbizar, but the movie resurrects him and paints him as Thorin's archenemy. Early in the story there's the unnecessary addition of the dwarves being chased by Azog and his warg riders. The film culminates in a ridiculous reimagining of Out Of the Frying-Pan Into The Fire where Thorin climbs down from the tree (which incidentally is about to fall off a cliff), confronts Azog amidst the flames and almost dies.

I was really looking forward to the movie revealing lots of backstory about the orcs and dwarves, as well as integrating the story about the Necromancer and the White Council, but it felt to me like all the additions just bogged the film down.

Of course it's premature to pass judgment. I'm really looking forward to seeing how all the extra elements resolve themselves over the course of the trilogy.

My friends seemed to like the movie more than me. One of them thought the additions were good because they made the movie less predictable for people who have read the book.

I was disappointed by some cheesy special effects for the Arkenstone and the writing of the rune on Bilbo's front door.

I watched the movie in 48 fps. The jerkiness of 24 fps is something that has annoyed me for quite some time, so I was thrilled just to see the Warner Bros animation appear so smoothly. However, it became clear in the prologue that people's complaints about 48 fps peeling away the illusion of cinema, making everything look more like a TV movie, were fairly true. Certain sets (especially Dale) felt quite uncinematic at the high framerate. Like Peter Jackson says, it takes some getting used to. Slowly you come to notice the bizarre realism of 48 fps less and less. Where possible, I intend to watch movies at the high framerate from now on. Realism seems odd when you've been used to poor-quality cinema for so long, but I think it's worth getting used to.

In general 3D wasn't abused in the movie. The only exception in my mind was a troll's tooth which seemed to shatter into the audience. The combination of 48fps and 3D was certainly quite immersive.

It will be interesting to see what other people think of the film. While parts of it were brilliant, I found parts of it too melodramatic (in the vein of Hollywood not Tolkien), and I thought some of the tinkering with the history of Middle-earth was unnecessary. But such criticisms were also levelled at Lord of the Rings, which turned out to be both a critical and commercial success.


Tehanu
PTB

Dec 12 2012, 8:25pm

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More on my objections to the music.... [In reply to] Can't Post

Hi folks, this is where everyone disagrees with me it seems! I'll listen more carefully when I watch it again this morning. But in general, it's not that there were no new themes, or they weren't suitable. It's just that I felt I knew what Shore was going to do before he did it. He's become, to me at least, predictable. The orchestration is the same, the harmonic rhythm and pacing is the same, basically the new themes are given the same treatment as what we've heard before.
I was waiting for moments that took my breath away, like the hardanger fiddle solo that introduces Edoras to us the first time.
You could say the same about many film composers - there are plenty of John Williams scores that repeat themselves somewhat. But there are also plenty of John Williams scores where he seems to get a fresh breath of life and does something so unexpected that I'm taken unawares.


unexpectedvisitor
Rohan

Dec 12 2012, 8:45pm

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i get where you're coming from... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but could part of not being surprised by the new material have to do with the fact that two of the most striking new pieces, the Misty Mountains theme and Radagast's motif, are songs we got to hear in full well before the movie released?

and maybe there's nothing too fresh or unexpected about Misty Mountains--as awesome as it is, it's very much in keeping with the style of the LotR scores--but Radagast is certainly a step into some new territory. also, while it is very short, i thought "The Defiler" was a fantastic little "evil" cue and quite unlike anything in Shore's other work.

as far as the overall methodology being too familiar and the re-using of former themes...i dunno, i kind of view this as a good thing, as i was explaining in my post about Shore's very thematically intent, motif-based approach to scoring these movies, but maybe i'll have a better feel for your gripes with the soundtrack once i see the movie myself.

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