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morgul lord
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Dec 10 2012, 9:34pm
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I don't think less than $90 million means trouble. $90 million is HUGE. Even $50 million is pretty respectable. Less than that... well, maybe trouble. But I'm sure it will do just fine.
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Notanelvishname
Lorien
Dec 10 2012, 9:46pm
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90 millions the first week end means bellow 300 millions in the end.
Plus RotK did 72 millions the first week end. with lower ticket's price and no 3D push.
So as I said more than 90 millions is expected by the studios.
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Dec 10 2012, 10:09pm
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Battle of Five Armies not shot yet?
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The extra time is being used to shoot the Battle of Five Armies, which hasn't been shot yet, and extra scenes to make the remaining footage work as two films. I enormously doubt the two additional films will run to 3 hours or more. I'm sure the Battle of Five Armies definitely been shot. The next block of shooting is just for pick-ups and to cover the newly written material. The BoFA was •always• part of the plan, even when it was just two films, obviously.
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Crunchable Birdses
Rohan
Dec 10 2012, 10:11pm
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This has been confirmed in multiple cast interviews.
* crunch *
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DanielLB
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Dec 10 2012, 10:11pm
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Nope, even when it was still two films
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The BO5A was to be filmed next year. Armitage confirmed in an interview he hadn't yet filmed his death scene.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 10 2012, 11:01pm
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So it was •always• planned to do major filming next year? I've never heard this. That does seem strange, though. But i stand corrected-- thanks guys.
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Finrod
Rohan
Dec 10 2012, 11:25pm
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90 millions the first week end means bellow 300 millions in the end.
Plus RotK did 72 millions the first week end. with lower ticket's price and no 3D push.
So as I said more than 90 millions is expected by the studios.
Then how do you get to a billion?
…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.The Silmarillion, pp 150-151 while Felagund laughs beneath the treesin Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.The Lays of Beleriand, p 311
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Finrod
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Dec 10 2012, 11:27pm
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how many total shooting days, REALLY?
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The BO5A was to be filmed next year. Armitage confirmed in an interview he hadn't yet filmed his death scene.
Curious; they often do the last scene first.
How many shooting days are we at now? Isn’t already like 11 over The Lord of the Rings? I wonder what the total will be.
…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.The Silmarillion, pp 150-151 while Felagund laughs beneath the treesin Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.The Lays of Beleriand, p 311
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MediaMalable
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Dec 10 2012, 11:31pm
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The film is going to be gigantically profitable
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Even a soft opening in the U.S, which I don't expect at all, wouldn't mean anything for this film. Overseas it's going to be a huge smash. This film will play, and be popular, absolutely everywhere in the world. The Tolkien brand, and the love for the Lord of the Rings films, will power it to huge box office.
So worry not.
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Dec 10 2012, 11:45pm
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Even a soft opening in the U.S, which I don't expect at all, wouldn't mean anything for this film. Overseas it's going to be a huge smash. This film will play, and be popular, absolutely everywhere in the world. The Tolkien brand, and the love for the Lord of the Rings films, will power it to huge box office.
So worry not. And i think it will be huge here, easily top 5 for the year.
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Notanelvishname
Lorien
Dec 10 2012, 11:48pm
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The first trilogy grossed around 3 billions worldwide.
The hobbit should make more than 90 millions on its opening week-end in the US to reach 300 millions in the US.
Usually this kind of movie makes 70% of its business abroad, so we have 1 billion total for the first film worldwide.
So less than 90 millions on its opening week-end in the US means trouble.
But I bet it will make 100-105 millions on its opening week end in the US.
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Estel78
Tol Eressea
Dec 10 2012, 11:59pm
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$1 billion is not that much anymore nowadays, though.
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A few movies a year break that.
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Notanelvishname
Lorien
Dec 11 2012, 12:13am
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but no.
With the exception of 2011 when 3 movies broke the 1 billions score worldwide, there is only 13 movies in the last 15 years that earned that much.
(But I agree the trend is growing)
Seven of them were in 3D.
And only 3 were stand alone movies.
But as I said 1 billion is the minimum expected by Waner and MGM.
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Estel78
Tol Eressea
Dec 11 2012, 12:22am
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This year we'll also have 3, not counting Hobbit.
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Avengers, Dark Knight Rises and James Bond (not there yet but soon).
In 2010 we had 2 movies breaking $1 billion.
And in 2009 Avatar equals almost 3 $1 billion movies. 
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Notanelvishname
Lorien
Dec 11 2012, 12:41am
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With the exception of 2011 when 3 movies broke the 1 billions score worldwide, there is only 13 movies in the last 15 years that earned that much.
(But I agree the trend is growing)
Seven of them were in 3D.
And only 3 were stand alone movies.
But as I said 1 billion is the minimum expected by Waner and MGM.
 A billion is still a lot to do. But my point was that the Hobbit is intended to reach this mark. So less than that means trouble at the studios. But PJ has nothing to fear. Executives would take the hit.
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JWPlatt
Grey Havens
Dec 11 2012, 2:23am
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FYI - There's no need to make million and billion plural in your context. The plural of "dollar" as "dollars" takes care of that.
Singular Example:
It cost five million dollars.
It cost a million dollars.
Plural Example:
It cost millions of dollars.
There are billions of stars.
If the cost is specific, use million and billion as singular. Use plural when the amount is non-specific.
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Notanelvishname
Lorien
Dec 11 2012, 2:33am
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I should know that, it is the same rule in french...
I understand, the repetition of the same gramatical mistake, post after post, must be cringe worthy.
I will try to improve the standard of my english.
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JWPlatt
Grey Havens
Dec 11 2012, 2:46am
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Excellent English, in any case. Especially if you are not using Google Translate. ;)
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DanielLB
Immortal
Dec 11 2012, 11:40am
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We've never been given a reason why
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Perhaps they just need more time? Of course, the additional film will require a bit more filming - they did carry on for a couple of days after "officially" finishing.
Perhaps the battle is so massive, they need an extra year to get all the props ready?
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imin
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Dec 11 2012, 12:50pm
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May well shorten the film lengths
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But that isnt necessarily a bad thing. It could make the films, better films - get rid of some of the woffle.
Also a shorter film means potentially more screenings during the day - more money!
I cant say one way or the other but if the film is indeed too long then i would welcome a shorter better film over a overindulgent longer film - think of king kong and how that was overly long - better editing could have made that into a sharper, leaner and overall better film.
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Notanelvishname
Lorien
Dec 11 2012, 1:05pm
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Sorry but I am amazed by the number of people wishing or guessing the next to films to be shorter.
Nobody asked for a shorter TT or RotK before the release of FotR...
And after people have seen FotR and TT they were cheering over the announcement of a 3h21 RotK.
Many people have criticized RotK to be too long, after watching it..But it didn't stop the movie to be the highest grossing movie of the trilogy and to win eleven oscars.
So who cares for what people are saying about the length of AUJ before seeing it for himself ?
I saw it and I think it's not too long...
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Notanelvishname
Lorien
Dec 11 2012, 1:18pm
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I was under the impression that the BotFA was planned in the principal shooting, way back in 2010...
I would guess that the main problem was in post production.
It was impossible for Weta to farm all the fx for Smaug, the siege of Dol Guldur and the BotFA for TaBA.
So they negociated with Warner for three movies.
It meant :
- More time in post production. (they got 6 more month)
- More revenues for Warner. (a third 1 billion dollars movie)
After that it was easy to rearrange some minor pick up shooting into a massive shooting in terms of schedule for the actors and technicians.
With another movie to create revenues Warner would gladly put more money on the table, so they decided to push the whole BotFA in this new shooting schedule.
So they would have more time and more money, to shoot and in post production.
That is just a guess, but it works pretty well in my mind.
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