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BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Dec 10 2012, 6:32pm

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It seems like, one of the main criticisms of AUJ is the running time. FOTR did not receive so much negativity about the the running time and so Peter continued to make TTT and ROTK close to 3 hours. What i fear will happen now, because AUJ is being criticized so much, is that in the next two films, we'll see a much reduced running time in order to appease critics. I really hope this isn't the case and that Peter continues with his vision for the next two, running time and all :-)


elevorn
Lorien


Dec 10 2012, 6:34pm

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The complaints about running time come from people who simply are not as interested or invested in the movie. PJ will tell his story no matter what. Look at King Kong and Lovely Bones. PJ tells his story, he doesn't listen to the critics who complain about length.



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dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 10 2012, 6:38pm

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If the box office is on par with expectations, then none of that noise will matter. If it is below, then I fear you're right.


Shagrat
Gondor

Dec 10 2012, 6:38pm

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The critical response won't affect anything; it'll be the box office that does that. If AUJ rakes in over a billion I'm sure we can look forward to three-hour sequels.


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 10 2012, 6:40pm

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Total gross speaks louder than pre-release reviews. [In reply to] Can't Post

PJ will be driven by how much the film makes, not by a handful of reviews.

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BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Dec 10 2012, 6:44pm

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Then lets hope it makes over a billion!


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Dec 10 2012, 6:46pm

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studios are concerned with appeasing critics. At all. The Hobbit will make lots and lots of money-- that's what the studio cares about


Ataahua
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Dec 10 2012, 6:48pm

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Dec 10 2012, 6:55pm

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Peter Jackson repeated says that he makes the movies he wants to see. So I gather the next two will be whatever pleases him and not the critics. That is fortunate for us.

So much presumption and judgement about audience reaction going on about a movie that isn't even released to audiences yet... It's quite amazing to watch.


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Dec 10 2012, 6:55pm

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i think its becuase everyone respected that lotr was such a huge book, so were expecting and were happy that the films didnt rush through them

with the hobbit i think people are expecting something much shorter!

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 10 2012, 7:00pm

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dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 10 2012, 7:05pm

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but it is WB who will ultimately decide whether to lay down the law over runtime for the next one. And they mostly just care about money (studios like to win Oscars too, so they won't completely ignore the critics even if the thing makes more money than Smaug).


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 10 2012, 7:09pm

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JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Dec 10 2012, 7:15pm

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I agree with the money part and the whole corporate studio thing. However, I believe Peter Jackson has more say than you think. Have you seen the contract?


Glóin the Dark
Rivendell

Dec 10 2012, 7:15pm

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There seems to be a general assumption (among critics as well as message-board posters) that the next two films are intended to be roughly the same length as An Unexpected Journey. I wonder if this assumption is warranted.

Myself, I wouldn't be surprised if they have been intending to produce two more films of around three hours, but nor would I be surprised if it turned out that they were planning a pair of two-hour films. (Or, of couse, anything in between.)


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 10 2012, 7:44pm

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He certainly has negotiating power [In reply to] Can't Post

but if the films for some reason fail to make as much money as hoped (not expecting this), he will lose it.


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Dec 10 2012, 7:48pm

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I seriously doubt the next two films will be •shorter•. I think the next one will be closer to 3 hours, and the last one at least 3˝. That's my guess, anyway.


(This post was edited by sauget.diblosio on Dec 10 2012, 7:57pm)


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 10 2012, 7:57pm

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I would be surprised if Jackson's contract terms were not beefy in this regard and any worries about film duration being off-putting would pale into insignificance compared to possibility of a story of studio control overriding the director in this particular instance.

In any situation other than the first film performing extraordinarily badly, I cannot imagine the studio taking such actions.

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HiddenSpring
Lorien

Dec 10 2012, 8:03pm

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I think the next two films might even be a bit longer, but won't feel as "bloated". Evidently, the last minute decision to split The Hobbit in three meant incorporating scenes in Bag End and Rivendell that were probably "extended DVD" material.

But with all the stuff still left to shoot, the next two films are more likely to warrant their screentime. That's my hope, anyway.

(Not really interested in spending 45 minutes in Bag End, as much as I love the book).


Crunchable Birdses
Rohan


Dec 10 2012, 8:08pm

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The extra time is being used to shoot the Battle of Five Armies, which hasn't been shot yet, and extra scenes to make the remaining footage work as two films. I enormously doubt the two additional films will run to 3 hours or more.

* crunch *

(This post was edited by Crunchable Birdses on Dec 10 2012, 8:09pm)


JWPlatt
Grey Havens


Dec 10 2012, 8:13pm

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but if the films for some reason fail to make as much money as hoped (not expecting this), he will lose it.


I didn't know that was in Jackson's contract as well. Where did you get hold of a copy?


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 10 2012, 8:23pm

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The studio is making the films [In reply to] Can't Post

They have final say on everything by default, unless their contract with the director (or anyone else) explicitly states otherwise. Have you see it? Smile


Finrod
Rohan


Dec 10 2012, 8:28pm

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They have final say on everything by default, unless their contract with the director (or anyone else) explicitly states otherwise. Have you see it? Smile


You mean their contract with Ian McKellen stating that he gets the #1 top billing slot in all publicity, and a cut of the profits, too?

Nope, not a bit. :)

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cameragod
Lorien


Dec 10 2012, 8:35pm

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FOTR received a lot of criticism about its length when it came out. That is why PJ made that comment that he wasn't expecting people to complain because he gave them too much movie.

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Notanelvishname
Lorien

Dec 10 2012, 9:29pm

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is the first week end box office.
Anything under 90 millions will means troubles.
But the length of the 2 sequels will not suffer a bit.
At most they will recalibrate the tone of the movies...
But Warner actualy is very confident about their product.
Oh and you can't change a contract like that.

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