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Mispronounced names?

stoutfiles
Rohan

Dec 10 2012, 4:57pm

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Mispronounced names? Can't Post

While reading another negative review by someone who hates high frame rates and slow pacing, this self-pronounced lover of Tolkien says that two dwarves have their names pronounced incorrectly.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/filmreviews/9730525/The-Hobbit-An-Unexpected-Journey-movie-review.html

For anyone who has seen the movie, is this so? If so, which ones?


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 10 2012, 5:05pm

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I'm going for Oin and Gloin [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't see how any other name would be "mis-pronounced". The majority of people either think "Oin" is "Owen", or "Oi-n".

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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Dec 10 2012, 5:06pm)


sycorax82
Rohan

Dec 10 2012, 5:09pm

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Gandalf pronounces them all perfectly in the first trailer [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe they're simply gonna show Bilbo or another character pronouncing them wrong out of confusion. I'm sure it will be deliberate.


And back again
Rivendell


Dec 10 2012, 5:13pm

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Strange [In reply to] Can't Post

I have just read this review myself and wondered which names had been mispronounced.

I think it might be Fili and Kili.

I assume that they should be pronounced with a long 'i'. Pronouncing them like 'filly' and 'killy' might be wrong.

I will go there ... and back again.


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Dec 10 2012, 5:14pm

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Haven't seen the movie, but I've noticed Fili and Kili [In reply to] Can't Post

have been pronounced two different ways--Keely and Feely or Killi and Filli (with short i's).

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ForestPark
Rivendell


Dec 10 2012, 5:38pm

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Oh Slarty Bartfast !! [In reply to] Can't Post

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Cave Troll
Rivendell

Dec 10 2012, 6:02pm

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I always pronounced it [In reply to] Can't Post

Bye-fur and Bow-fur but maybe that's just me (and my Dad who first read me the book). Blush


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Dec 10 2012, 6:08pm

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Oyeen and Gloyeen rather than O-in and Glo-in is what he's probably referring to, IMO. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
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2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Dec 10 2012, 10:36pm

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It think he's probably talking about [In reply to] Can't Post

Dwah-lin and Bah-lin, as opposed to Dway-lin and Bay-lin, which is how I pronounced them (incorrectly) in my head until the first trailer.


Pousette
Rivendell


Dec 10 2012, 11:11pm

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Since most of the names are borrowed from the Edda... [In reply to] Can't Post

...I'd say almost every name is probably more or less "mispronounced".

It's really only a matter of how hard you are with the "rules". And, if you look through Tolkien's notes on pronounciation, Gandalf should be pronounced Gandalv. Which would probably sound silly to most of us.

I'm gonna be a bit meddlesome, and say if I'd try to pronounce them "correctly" (based upon my Swedish and rather limited knowledge of other Scandinavic languages and Old Norse) I'd say:

Thórin (pretty much as it's pronounced everywhere)
Baalinn (not the american version "Baylin")
Dwaalinn (or possibly even Dvaalin)
Feelee (emphasis on the first I)
Keelee (same)
Dó-ri (to get the "Do" from, for example, "Dovahkiin")
Nó-ri (same)
Ó-ri (same)
Ó-in (A bit of Eeyore-touch on that one)
Gló-in (same)
Beefúrr (And not Biff-urr)
Bófúrr (Not Bowfur)
Bómmbúrr (pretty much as they pronounce it, but with rolling r:s and heavier u-sound - just as with his brother and cousin)

I feel so annoying right now. But I've been thinking a lot on this, and it feels really good to just get it out. I may be so wrong on this. Just a guess as good as any, I hope =)


sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea

Dec 10 2012, 11:19pm

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Aren't they saying [In reply to] Can't Post

Fill-ee and Kill-ee in AUJ, though?


Finrod
Rohan


Dec 10 2012, 11:33pm

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Dwarf pronunciation is not Elvish [In reply to] Can't Post

The rules for pronouncing the Eddaic names are quite different from those for pronouncing Elvish names.

But didn’t Tolkien himself voice the final consonant in Gandalf, making it come out with a v sound? Sounds like it to me on the recordings.

Without using IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) spellings, it is next to impossible to tell what people mean. But those are really tough to enter here, requiring a lot of mouse pasting.

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The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




alienorchid
Lorien


Dec 11 2012, 1:42am

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I love the IPA [In reply to] Can't Post

and I think everyone should learn it! I'm a bit rusty but it wouldn't take me long to remember it all, though.


Pousette
Rivendell


Dec 11 2012, 6:59am

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Something like that, yeah... / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Pousette
Rivendell


Dec 11 2012, 7:02am

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Yes, that's kind of what I meant :) [In reply to] Can't Post

And yeah, I had a really hard time trying to "phoneticise" the words the best way possible, especially with not having english as my native tongue!

Maybe he says Gandalv. Haven't thought about it. No one else seems to, though. (I don't, either...)

 
 

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