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Can I play with sadness?
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens

Dec 8 2012, 10:32pm

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Can I play with sadness? Can't Post

Well folks, this is a very personal opinion but I waned to expres it openly to you all. Iīm going to try to get off the ship until the movie comes out.

As a community I feel that we didnīt get the nerve to pull up with bad reviews, LOTR movies had those too but if Hobbit movies are a good product (and they are) they will get more interesting and good with time, and they will resist the passing of the years to come, as LOTR. or as good wine.

But we donīt deserve this bad vibe to enter as a dragon sickness into our aim, and I know most of you are encouraged about the movies, but I donīt, and what upsets me and makes a little bit sad is that preccisely Iīm sad because fo something that I know that is not going to make me sad at all.And I dont need that.

is like when you have a crush on a girl and you finally going to meet her and some silly guy comes and begins to tell (Iīm not saying true or false) things about her, but (unncessary), because you know that you are so in love with her that despite she is no perfect(just as you) she has been in your herart for so long. Some bad vibe, mostly unnecesary has settled between this so waited movies and I, ad nor the movies or I, need this. Ok maybe this example is a little bit over the top.

Too much fear in our bones, when this should be a festival, but the party is a little bit down because of the so called critics and the damned tomatoes.

Iīm so sorry, have a nice countdwon der all, see you soon.

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!


Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien


Dec 8 2012, 10:36pm

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relax! [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course, after LOTR the bar is set very high which increases the amount of bad reviews, because were are definetly not getting a second LOTR, but something very different and hopefully just as entertaining. Everyone is just so excited that it's hard to calm down when a few negative reviews hit the spot.

But I bet you, in the end all will be just fine!


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Dec 8 2012, 10:38pm

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I know how you feel, believe me. ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


waaimasjien
Bree

Dec 8 2012, 10:55pm

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um.. okay. [In reply to] Can't Post

"So-called critics"? Come on, let's just face the possibility that the film isn't that good.

Let your expectations be as low as possible and the first viewing experience can only be better Smile


Simon
Rivendell

Dec 8 2012, 11:24pm

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maybe...but ...can i play with madness too? [In reply to] Can't Post

Because The Hobbit will kick ass! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocFxQjPeyiY


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens

Dec 8 2012, 11:28pm

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why is not a like button in this forum? [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks you all for the warm as always but I think I will try to go forward with my abscence

plus, I meant not to make feel bad anybody who thinks that the movie is not good, but about saying that that cold wouldnīt chill our bones my good people hereSmile

The flagon with the dragon has the brew that is true!

(This post was edited by isaac on Dec 8 2012, 11:32pm)


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Dec 8 2012, 11:29pm

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Mod up! [In reply to] Can't Post

Did I get this, right? Smile

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ForestPark
Rivendell


Dec 8 2012, 11:40pm

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It's only a movie, it's only a movie...... [In reply to] Can't Post

Wink


Morthoron
Gondor


Dec 9 2012, 1:44am

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Are you trying to convince me or yourself? [In reply to] Can't Post

If the movies are not up to par, oh well. I wouldn't be at all surprised, given the material is being stretched to outrageous and unnecessary lengths to cover three films. And then there's Peter Jackson's penchant for superfluous story lines and fabrications.

I am going to see the movie because I promised my daughter we would go. The Hobbit was the first serious book we read together when she was younger, and it was a great experience for both of us. If the movie turns out to be bad, we'll have fun picking it apart.

And we certainly won't be watching it in 48 fps. It's certainly worrisome enough that Jackson, Walsh and Boyens wrote the screenplay, I don't need jarring and disconcerting visual images as well.

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Beren0nehanded
Bree


Dec 9 2012, 2:19am

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I'm with you isaac . . . [In reply to] Can't Post

Crazy

Don't be hasty.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 9 2012, 2:30am

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Someone deems [In reply to] Can't Post

it necessary dont they?

Out of curiosity, how do you know your response to 48 fps would be jarring and disconcerting? What if you actually appreciate it?

Smile


Morthoron
Gondor


Dec 9 2012, 2:55am

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Someone deemed... [In reply to] Can't Post

it necessary to drag a 19 chapter linear mock-epic into three movies, burying the original story in created subplots and characters. Just because someone deems it necessary, doesn't make it a good thing.

Considering that some of the greatest movies I've ever seen were filmed in black and white, I am completely uninterested in 3-D or 48 FPS. I'll see how the movie goes with just acting and plot before I worry about technical addenda.

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lurtz2010
Rohan

Dec 9 2012, 4:07am

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don't worry about bad reviews [In reply to] Can't Post

Just watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNkskVqvQS4

Does that not look amazing to you? I think most fans will love this movie.


cameragod
Lorien


Dec 9 2012, 7:12am

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You know [In reply to] Can't Post

The Shawshank Redemption, regarded by many as a very good film was based on a short story... nobody says "how did they get that whole movie out of that short story, damn all that padding in it"... just saying :)

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morgul lord
Rivendell


Dec 9 2012, 7:26am

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Fun Fact [In reply to] Can't Post

The Shawshank Redemption is from the same Stephen King short story collection that inspired the movies Stand By Me and Apt Pupil (with Ian McKellen).

Three good movies, from three short stories in the same book!


Morthoron
Gondor


Dec 9 2012, 1:52pm

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Just for clarification's sake... [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To
The Shawshank Redemption, regarded by many as a very good film was based on a short story... nobody says "how did they get that whole movie out of that short story, damn all that padding in it"... just saying :)


Stephen King's Rita Hayworth and Shawshank Redemption is a novella, not a short story (novellas are longer than short stories). The movie does not deviate greatly from the novella.

Beyond that, to make your argument work, the movie The Shawshank Redemption would have to also borrow subplots from another Stephen King book or books that change the perspective of the story completely away from the main character, add in extra characters not in any books, and be made into three movies.

Just saying. Wink

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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 9 2012, 2:51pm

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*Scratches head* [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the poster's point is simply about the fact that there is no fixed relationship between number of words in a text and the amount of screen time it generates. Shorter texts do not necessarily produce shorter adaptations and vice versa.

LR


Morthoron
Gondor


Dec 9 2012, 3:04pm

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I understand the poster's comment... [In reply to] Can't Post

But it does not apply in a one-on-one comparison.

I put it in context with The Hobbit movie. We are not talking about just the book "The Hobbit" being made into three movies, are we? We are talking about "The Hobbit" book being only part of three movies wherein extended subplots and extraneous characters are added in, thus diluting the main plot.

In regards to the Shawshank Redemption movie, it would be rather like the screenplay added in the lawyer from "Thinner" and the clown from "It" and used subplots from each of these separate stories to pad Shawshank. Tongue

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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 9 2012, 3:14pm

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Well on length then [In reply to] Can't Post

Of course additional material would only add weight to ratio, which I think was his core point.

if however we are to discuss composition, I don't think "dilution" is by any means a sole or obvious conclusion to draw from additions. Some additions enhance the flavour of the core ingredients, whilst others detract but it remains to be seen which we have here.

In terms of analogy I think there are better examples than the one you offer actually, given that it is King. As you probably know he does in fact "add in" characters and references from other works to various of his stories, not least those set in Derry and those which feature cross referencing ideas such as Flagg. Many people see this as very much enriching his tales, and of course it would be an interesting, and potentially enriching, feature of adaptations of his work.

In terms of Tolkien of course then one can see a similar, if later, action to provide wider context and linkages with the tale of TH.

LR


Morthoron
Gondor


Dec 9 2012, 3:21pm

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A "reference" is not a "subplot" ;p [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 9 2012, 3:24pm

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My apologies - please mentally replace my words "characters and references" [In reply to] Can't Post

With "subplots"

LR


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 9 2012, 3:25pm

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For those of us who were curious about where Gandalf wandered off to [In reply to] Can't Post

Telling us where he went and why has high potential for enriching the story. To each their own.

Arthur: What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: I... am an enchanter.
Arthur: By what name are you known?
Tim: There are some who call me... 'Tim'...?
Arthur: ...greetings, Tim the Enchanter.


(This post was edited by Tim on Dec 9 2012, 3:26pm)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 9 2012, 3:29pm

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The problem [In reply to] Can't Post

already arises with the use of DRAG and BURYING which implies that those decisions were done with not in good faith, and with disaterous results.

We do not know either way, so far. You choose to believe it is bad. I dont, and wait to see for myself and dont have a preconceived notion.

Some of the greatest films i have ever seen were also in black and white, on 35 mm from the 60's and 70's and from the 30's even.
How does that have anything to do Real 3D 48 FPS and why should that stop me from enjoying TH in a different way?

There is something to be said about the advantages and fruits one can gain from wandering off out of ones comfort zone and taking risks. I believe theres even a very famous book about it....


(This post was edited by Lusitano on Dec 9 2012, 3:31pm)


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Dec 9 2012, 3:32pm

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I wish [In reply to] Can't Post

to see that with greta curiosity. One of those decisions that i applaud, at least in theory.


Elessar
Valinor


Dec 9 2012, 3:40pm

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Mind made up [In reply to] Can't Post

Some are letting themselves get freaked out way to easily because a few people out of the whole are had negative things to say. I don't get why you'd let yourself get swayed so easily, because not everyone is going to like it.

I can see a couple of people in here and I know I have a couple friends who are already negative in mindset because they are stuck on perceived bloat. So for people like this it isn't going to matter the reviews or how the film is they've made up their minds before entering and seeing the movie.


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