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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor
Dec 8 2012, 8:59pm
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Someone suggested something along the same lines in a thread a few months ago, which I thought would be a nice touch. I'm not too bothered if they kill him off provided it's handled well, i.e. he dies in a dignified way. If he's killed and his body disappears (like Ben Kenobi's death in Star Wars), leaving, as you said his staff, hat and robes on the ground. This would be a lovely touch as Raddy could become one with nature (similar to Ben becoming one with the Force). We then see the moth later in the film as you suggested.
However, I've just noticed a major weakness in that idea. Undoubtedly the moth will be seen when Gandy & Co are rescued by the Eagles, at a time where Raddy is most likely still alive. So if that happens, Raddy can't be the moth for the sake of simplicity.
"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.
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Valandil ed Imladris
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Dec 8 2012, 10:22pm
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It's cheesy, but kind of cool, in my opinion. I loooooooove connections :D
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Pousette
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Dec 8 2012, 11:48pm
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The moth isn't a nesessary connection to the eagles...
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And there's nothing pointing towards Radagast not being able to turn himself into a moth, and then turn back again. The moth was linked to Radagast by some, already eleven years ago, when FOTR came out.
Still, it doesn't really matter how many fans considers it a predictable option. Just a couple of years ago very many ringers were certain David Tennant would be playing Bilbo, and Brian Blessed would be Thorin.
It's absolutely not impossible that Radagast will die, but I don't think McCoy would hint about it already if he did. Also, we already have key people who will be lost in the BO5A, and there's no real reason for PJ to kill of another few, just for a heavier or darker spirit.
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Pousette
Rivendell
Dec 9 2012, 12:00am
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Radagast doesn't "deserve" to sail into the west, given that he abandons his mission. Although, PJ seems to alter the story, by suggesting Radagast sticks to his task. So, given that they don't show him abandoning his responsibilities, some sort of defeat situation is very possible. Although, is really doesn't have to be death or permanent transformation.
But, what the hobbit, for all we know PJ might turn him into the Witch-king to "BRIDGE" into LotR ;)
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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor
Dec 9 2012, 10:05am
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It isn't a necessary one, but provided that PJ's used this connection on all the Eagle instances before...
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It seems like a big hint, especially given that the soundtrack for this moment sounds like a reprise of the soundtrack in the scene from RotK. While Raddy could still turn into the moth, the less observant members of the audiences will not pick this up and miss the connection if there is two moths.
It's possible that McCoy didn't mean to drop that hint, and wouldn't have wanted to, given that in our speculating the chances are that at least one of the ideas discussed on this thread is the correct one.
"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.
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Pousette
Rivendell
Dec 9 2012, 12:38pm
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The moth didn't bring the eagles in ROTK... so there's no real need for a second moth, whether it's Radagast, a friend of Radagast, or just a very nice moth.
I assume Walsh and Boyens got something a bit more curious in mind than our ideas. Or at least, something more specific and elaborate.
Perhaps we shouldn't try too hard to predict Radagast's (and the staff's) fate. PJ works in mysterious ways, haha 
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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor
Dec 9 2012, 12:43pm
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The moth probably didn't bring the Eagles, but Gandalf still saw the moth appear just before the Eagles arrived.
But yes, I agree, there isn't a lot of point trying to pick at some straws which probably don't exist. Indeed, PJ's mind must be a strange though interesting thing.
"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.
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Pousette
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Dec 9 2012, 1:30pm
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You're right about the moth! My bad. Memory getting worse, I guess ;) //
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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor
Dec 9 2012, 1:34pm
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Lol no problem, it happens to the best of us, of whom I am certainly not one!//
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"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Dec 9 2012, 10:10pm
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turn into a moth?! Doesn't that sound absurd to anyone else? Especially given P.J.'s well known aversion to "magic" in these films? Sounds like bad fan fic to me. Maybe there's something i'm missing?
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Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor
Dec 9 2012, 10:30pm
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It's just that people are looking for a way that PJ can link him with LOTR and due to the moth's importance in the Isengard escape scene, added to Raddy's connection with nature (and him being a "A master of shapes" and all) many people have come to think that this is the most obvious answer. While I like it, I have no idea how it would/could work visually onscreen. In those terms it does seem a bit ridiculous.
However, if PJ wants to link Raddy to LOTR then I'm sure he's already found a much better idea that none of us have thought of.
"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Dec 9 2012, 10:35pm
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Radagast "talking" to a moth in one of the Hobbit films? I would think that would be a really cool, and a lot more reasonable, connection.
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Hun200kmh
The Shire
Dec 10 2012, 5:07pm
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I dislike unnecessary changes ...
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From the books, and "killing" Radagast during the Hobbit events is one. Radagast plays a very important role in LOTR, by meeting Gandalf at or close to Bree, can't remember and by telling him that the Nine have left Minas Morgul. That's what makes Gandalf visit Saruman. Radagast is also the reason why the Eagle-king (don't remember the correct spelling of the name now) goes to Isengard and there he saves Gandalf from his prison. Finally Radagast is probably the reason why Eagles show up at the gates of Mordor, although this we can only assume.
So, I do know PJ changed how/why/what made Gandalf visit Saruman in his own FOTR, but there's no need to kill Radagast.
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In fact (brain working, maybe it'll melt)
In PJ's FOTR, Gandalf
1) Lost his first FOTR staff to Saruman;
2) Escaped, staffless, with the help of an Eagle sent by Radagast;
3) Therefore got himself ANOTHER staff, the one we saw at the Council of Elrond;
4) I'd say it is very probable that Radagast's the one that gave it to him. It's either that or Gandalf doing his own staffs when he brakes them
5) And Gandalf tends to be quite careless with staffs, considering he lost two of them in FOTR (one to Saruman, one in Moria) and one in ROTK.
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sauget.diblosio
Tol Eressea
Dec 11 2012, 9:08pm
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I hope they don't kill Radagast for the reasons you state
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but i fear they will. I don't mind small, character changes, but big changes that alter Tolkien's cronology are bothersome.
That's funny about Gandalf and his staffs (staves?). He goes through staffs like my girlfriend goes through iPhones!
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