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How do the warg hunters get over the Mistry Mountains?

Nevrast
Bree

Dec 7 2012, 9:13pm

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How do the warg hunters get over the Mistry Mountains? Can't Post

So it seems like the movie is going to feature a pack of Wargs with Orcs who track the company for the movie.

I figure that these are the same wargs and orcs who attack them at the end in Out of the Frying Pan.

So, how do they get across the Misty Mountains? Are we to presume that this big group of wargs and orcs is going single-file across a little mountain pass or through the goblin tunnels?


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 7 2012, 9:19pm

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I'm guessing [In reply to] Can't Post

We'll see a scene where the leader of the warg-pack arrives in Golbin-town right after the dwarves escape and learns what's going on, then sets off in hot pursuit.


nobofthepony
Lorien


Dec 7 2012, 9:31pm

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The same way King Kong was hauled to NYC... [In reply to] Can't Post

Via plot hole.


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 7 2012, 9:57pm

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Yep [In reply to] Can't Post

Should it be the same group, then over or under just about covers the options.

LR


dormouse
Half-elven


Dec 7 2012, 10:52pm

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It's late and I may not be thinking straight... [In reply to] Can't Post

...but in 'The Fellowship of the Ring' (book) don't the companions of the Ring get attacked by wolves BEFORE they cross the mountains? And so far as I remember, those aren't ordinary wolves either - so maybe the mountains aren't as big a barrier as you're assuming.


Nevrast
Bree

Dec 7 2012, 10:57pm

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Maybe! [In reply to] Can't Post

Though the mountains seem to cause endless trouble every time the good guys try to cross them!


Macsen
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 11:10pm

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They asked one of the giants to fling them over.


Notanelvishname
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 11:18pm

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***SPOILER*** [In reply to] Can't Post

For everyone.
Those are not speculations but real facts, so if you don't really want to know, don't read this answer.
I am just answering the question asked and will not spoil more than what is needed.

It is not explained in great details but the Goblin King send a message to Azog claiming he captured Thorin and company. So they probably came to Goblintown first and then followed the company thru the other side of the Misty Moutains.


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Dec 7 2012, 11:32pm

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*MORE SPOILER* [In reply to] Can't Post

They were hunted by warg-riding orcs during the trollshaw-sequence Crazy

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Notanelvishname
Lorien

Dec 7 2012, 11:38pm

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**STILL SPOILERS** [In reply to] Can't Post

They were hunted after the Trollshaws sequence. And yes, they are the same warg-riding orcs. Cool


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 7 2012, 11:42pm

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I think the fact they are goodies [In reply to] Can't Post

Is rather important - Similarly it would be odd to wonder how Orcs managed to traverse Mordor so easily when it was so difficult for Frodo and Sam.

But they were unlucky with the Goblins. Until recently the pass they took had been quite safe. Beorn confirms this by being surprised they went anywhere near the Goblins - clearly implying there were other, easier options.

There is little reason to suppose the Goblins would hinder the Warg pack. Tolkien specifically states that wargs and goblins often helped one another and more that the Great Goblin's clan especially hated Throin because of his history with the Moria orcs. Why would they then hinder them?

Even if you feel you want the tribes to be at odds, Tolkien furthermore states that the goblins only interfered with individuals who were unable to defend themselves - scarcely the description of our warg pack.

Finally this is very much what Tolkien describes happening to Thrain - as he is tracked by orcs and wargs all the way from West of the Shire to the eaves of Mirkwood. So one doesn't even really need to be hypothetical.

LR


(This post was edited by Lacrimae Rerum on Dec 7 2012, 11:43pm)


Intergalactic Lawman
Rohan


Dec 8 2012, 1:05am

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Speaking of which... [In reply to] Can't Post

Re the mountains... Are east and west of middle earth seperated by the Misty Mountains or by the river Anduin?? I have been wondering this for awhile but didn't want to start a thread about it! Cool


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Dec 8 2012, 1:14am

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Possibly both? [In reply to] Can't Post

The Misty Mountains are certainly a more formidable barrier, and the Anduin parallels the Mountains just a short way to the east.

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HeatherEntwood
The Shire

Dec 8 2012, 1:33am

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Just Remember... Four Legs are Better Than Two. [In reply to] Can't Post

... as we've seen in The Two Towers & The Hobbit snippets, Wargs seem to have no trouble running on elevated topography.


Aragalen the Green
Gondor


Dec 8 2012, 2:01am

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Yes, and forearmed... [In reply to] Can't Post

is forewarned. Or something like that.

Frito groaned. "I wish I had never been born," he said.
"Do not say that, dear Frito," cried Orlon. "It was a happy minute for us all when you were born."


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 8 2012, 8:29am

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And there are passages all along the mountain [In reply to] Can't Post

It would be quite easy for Wargs go through one of these.

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dormouse
Half-elven


Dec 8 2012, 8:57am

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But wolves live in mountains... [In reply to] Can't Post

... so why would mountains be a problem for them?


HeatherEntwood
The Shire

Dec 8 2012, 3:57pm

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*Highfives Dormouse* [In reply to] Can't Post


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