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Lightice
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Dec 7 2012, 12:24pm
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-but he was superimposed, amazing scene!
Actually, they flew the entire set and the key actors to England to shoot right alongside Christopher Lee. They even showed the English studio in a vlog months ago.
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DanielLB
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Dec 7 2012, 12:31pm
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As far as I'm aware, Elijah Wood was the only person flown over to the UK to film his scenes with Ian Holm.
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Mischa07
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Dec 7 2012, 12:51pm
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Christopher Lee was on his own, yes. NT
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Lightice
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Dec 7 2012, 12:58pm
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As far as I'm aware, Elijah Wood was the only person flown over to the UK to film his scenes with Ian Holm.
They showed pieces of the Rivendell set in the vlog that showed us Christopher Lee was involved. And Sylvester McCoy confirmed that he did not have scenes with Lee, which gave the impression that other castmembers did.
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DanielLB
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Dec 7 2012, 1:08pm
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I'm not sure what you mean by this:
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They showed pieces of the Rivendell set in the vlog that showed us Christopher Lee was involved.
And I think McCoy said that Radagast didn't have any scenes with Saruman. I don't think that suggests the other actoes filmed scenes with Lee.
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Lightice
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Dec 7 2012, 1:11pm
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And I think McCoy said that Radagast didn't have any scenes with Saruman. I don't think that suggests the other actoes filmed scenes with Lee.
He said that he didn't do any shoots with Lee. It would be pretty redundant to say that if none of the cast did. And as I said, I remember how the vlog featuring Lee had pieces of Rivendell architecture brought to England. Why would they bother if Lee was simply greenscreened in?
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DanielLB
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Dec 7 2012, 1:13pm
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All I remember is the chair he was sat on.
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Other than that, Lee hasn't appeared in any other vlog.
And if they did use some of the set, it's probably because the character had to interact with that particular part. It's easy to do that, than green screen the set in, if Saruman has to do something with it.
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Dec 7 2012, 1:14pm
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Is this the only white council scene in the films? I remember seeing pictures of them talking around the same table but during the day... And it was a movie still from memory.
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Dec 7 2012, 1:22pm
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I wonder if this is still a scene...or did they just "change" it to night time?
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dave_lf
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Dec 7 2012, 1:23pm
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I loved this clip! Everything I've seen I have really liked -so why are there such negative reviews I wonder? Maybe it's how it all comes together...
Keep in mind that anything WB is choosing to share at this point is going to be the absolute cream of the crop.
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zarqui2
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Dec 7 2012, 1:24pm
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You're right! I also wanted to ask that. In addition, in the first movie, there is a scene with Gandalf and Saruman alone?
sorry for my english :)
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Dec 7 2012, 1:25pm
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I just can't fathom not liking the film from what I have seen... Maybe that's why it will sting so much if I don't 
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Intergalactic Lawman
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Dec 7 2012, 1:28pm
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I haven't heard about it to be honest... Hope so! The more we see of Saruman the better! Christopher Lee is brilliant!
Your english is fine 
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Cave Troll
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Dec 7 2012, 1:30pm
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this clip is going to be the film in a nutshell: good acting and solid writing spoilt by unnecessary CGI and drawn-out exposition.
On the plus side, McKellen is nothing short of immense. He's so, so good.
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Cave Troll
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Dec 7 2012, 1:35pm
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...but the White Council (and many of the other scenes we've been shown recently) has been something they've allowed us to see in pics and magazines for months now - long before the film was finished.
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Jettorex
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Dec 7 2012, 1:50pm
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The reviewers are clueless. If its not constant action they dont get it.
Actually the more negative reviews I read, the more I know its going to be great.
- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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MTT Gandalf
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Dec 7 2012, 2:07pm
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...the Watchful Peace?
I know, in the book-canon the Watchful Peace happened earlier, but this is Peter Jackson' Middle-Earth, with it's own history and a new timeline.
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zarqui2
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Dec 7 2012, 2:10pm
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thanks!! :)
In the comic-con was projected this scene
Source: http://www.hollywood.com/...Kellen_LOTR/33918208
We see Gandalf meeting Saruman (Christopher Lee). Shots of the dwarves running through the forest. Gandalf in Rivendell. A shot of a boat going through a canal in Laketown
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Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
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Dec 7 2012, 2:46pm
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They showed pieces of the Rivendell set in the vlog that showed us Christopher Lee was involved
Sorry... I have to change a bit: They showed pieces of the Rivendell set in the vlog that showed us Saruman was involved.
Why the change? Because Sir Christopher Lee shot all of his parts alone in London (Pinewood Studios) with a lot greenscreen and only parts of the Rivendell set while Sir Ian McKellen, Hugo Weaving and Cate Blanchett shot their parts together in Wellington with a Saruman-double and the complete set. In the final process they changed the double with the shots of Lee from London.
The shot from one of the vlogs with Sir Christopher Lee in the end was made in London. All the other shots with the complete Rivendell set, Gandalf, Elrond and Galadriel were made in Wellington.
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unexpectedvisitor
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Dec 7 2012, 3:20pm
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i don't get how this clip is an example of "unnecessary" CGI. the backdrops? the establishing shot inserted after the first few dialogue shots? that's a common technique in film and a welcome change from always starting a scene with the establishing shot, in my opinion.
as for "drawn-out exposition," i mean, i guess it's a matter of taste how much you can stomach or even enjoy that, but exposition is absolutely nothing new to this series. Tolkien's books and PJ's original trilogy were rife with it, as it is a somewhat necessary "evil" in trying to communicate the details and happenings of a world that is foreign to the audience.
take, for instance, a movie like Inception. absolutely loaded with exposition, but again, somewhat necessary so that Nolan could give us all the haps for this complex vision he had of dream-sharing in a way that was coherent and made at least some sort of sense.
P.S. heck, in The Hobbit there's whole sections where characters are just telling other characters what happened to them, like when Gandalf and the dwarves tell Bilbo what happened to them after they lost him in the mountains. at least we won't have that kind of exposition in the movies as we'll just get to see what PJ and company imagined happening.
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Lusitano
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Dec 7 2012, 3:28pm
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Love Taxi Driver, Raging Bull , The Departed..
That " im gonna grab a smoke, do you wanna a smoke, no you dont smoke, what are you one of those featness freaks? Go F*** yourself. " joke was one of the biggets laughs i ever had in a cinema. 
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Cave Troll
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Dec 7 2012, 4:14pm
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I do think the establishing stuff is a bit show-offy. It screams "look at what we can do with our green screen" but maybe that's just me.
You're right - exposition is sometimes a necessary evil. It can be done well and it can be horrifically clunky. Watching it again, I actually think this is done quite well, to be fair.
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Tim
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Dec 7 2012, 4:32pm
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Rather than showing off, I think the motivation is to make the shot interesting
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It makes the shot more interesting in my opinion. Watching years of cinema, the more variety I see in camera angles and viewpoints is welcome. I pretty much always enjoy the way PJ uses the camera and that was one thing I loved about LOTR, like his shot swooping down the side of Orthanc into the orc pits...
Arthur: What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: I... am an enchanter.
Arthur: By what name are you known?
Tim: There are some who call me... 'Tim'...?
Arthur: ...greetings, Tim the Enchanter.
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sauget.diblosio
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Dec 7 2012, 4:48pm
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What about Goodfellas? I don't know how anyone that likes the Godfather could not like that movie. And i'm sorry, but The Godfather's (and it's sequel's) characters are just as violent and vile as any in Scorcese's films-- it's only the presentation that's different.
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