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New Clip HD!!!! The White Council (incredible acting)
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Ecthelions Beard
The Shire

Dec 6 2012, 8:37pm

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New Clip HD!!!! The White Council (incredible acting) Can't Post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwX_ng28Q8


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:39pm

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woah cool [In reply to] Can't Post

where did you get this from?

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Aragorn the Elfstone
Grey Havens


Dec 6 2012, 8:39pm

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I have NO self control left... [In reply to] Can't Post

Watching clips left and right, behind the scenes specials - somebody seriously needs to take my computer away from me! Wink

Looks great! The wait is becoming more and more unbearable. Crazy

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 6 2012, 8:40pm

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Too much talking [In reply to] Can't Post

Someone cut off a head or something before I die of boredom!

Kidding; of course. I hear this is a long scene and if the rest is similar to this clip, I'll love every minute.


Aragorn the Elfstone
Grey Havens


Dec 6 2012, 8:42pm

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Yes. [In reply to] Can't Post

If this is the type of stuff the critics didn't like, I don't think we fans don't have a thing to worry about. Cool

"All men dream; but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds awake to find that it was vanity; But the dreamers of day are dangerous men. That they may act their dreams with open eyes to make it possible."
- T.E. Lawrence


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:43pm

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I was just about to comment on the fact that critics have chalked this up to exposition and said there is too much exposition in the film. Well If all the exposition involves this kind of acting then I'm all for it!

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:45pm

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvwX_ng28Q8

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 6 2012, 8:45pm

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The more I see [In reply to] Can't Post

The more I disagree with negative reviews. Though to be fair none I've read have knocked the acting. But this wasn't boring to this diehard fan, it was thrilling.

Actually, having just watched that other 13 minute preview in 1080p this looks a little blurry in 720. I'm getting spoiled. Wink

Arthur: What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: I... am an enchanter.
Arthur: By what name are you known?
Tim: There are some who call me... 'Tim'...?
Arthur: ...greetings, Tim the Enchanter.


dubulous
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 8:46pm

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I had to watch. I can't help myself!

But the White Council looks just as amazing as I've been hoping it to be.


rune
The Shire

Dec 6 2012, 8:46pm

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Good clip [In reply to] Can't Post

The acting is good....

I like the way it's is stages that Gandalf is looked upon by the others amd dismissed with "What are you worrying about?"


Elutherian
Rohan


Dec 6 2012, 8:49pm

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MUST RESIST... TEMPTATION!!! [In reply to] Can't Post

Why must they do this so close to the release.... WHY!!!!??

The Grey Pilgrim, they once called me. Three hundred lives of men I walked this earth, and now I have no time...


thoon
Bree


Dec 6 2012, 8:50pm

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I'm getting a weird vibe from this "exposition" [In reply to] Can't Post

It's almost like they're trying to set up subsequent films. Dare I say, two trilogies? Preposterous of course! Clearly it's just padding. Tongue


Eruonen
Tol Eressea


Dec 6 2012, 8:51pm

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Agree, some of the critics don't understand the story and [In reply to] Can't Post

don't relish in every scene the way we do. It also comes down to the the "like fantasy" or "detest fantasy" crowds.
Some people just cannot stand anything that is not reality based and will not allow imagination or wonder to enter their minds. If it isn't gritty, emotionally wrenching, tear jerking, moral vagueness...no good or evil etc, true or realistic modern tales it isn't worthy.


(This post was edited by Eruonen on Dec 6 2012, 8:52pm)


Seaber
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 8:57pm

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What is meant by the line [In reply to] Can't Post

"We have been at peace for four hundred years"?

What happened four hundred years ago?

Love the clip!


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 9:00pm

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It was a little blurry! [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think they put it in full HD because I was watching the 13 minutes preview in 720p and it looked much sharper.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Eruonen
Tol Eressea


Dec 6 2012, 9:04pm

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I know there are reasons for wanting a small group interacting, [In reply to] Can't Post

but I would love to have seen a few more potential
members present - Cirdan, Glorfindel, Erestor, Celeborn etc. even if in the background. However, I understand the
reasons for wanting an intimate setting vs the council of Elrond type of shoot on FOTR.


(This post was edited by Eruonen on Dec 6 2012, 9:04pm)


belfalas
Bree

Dec 6 2012, 9:07pm

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Compromise: I watched it without the sound [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm drooling at the prospect of seeing this flick


Lieutenant of Dol Guldur
Gondor


Dec 6 2012, 9:08pm

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Perhaps... [In reply to] Can't Post

the war with Angmar?

"There is only one Lord of the Ring, only one who can bend it to his will. And he does not share power."


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 9:17pm

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Beautiful stuff! [In reply to] Can't Post

And great acting by everyone involved.


BornOutOfTheWest
Rivendell


Dec 6 2012, 9:18pm

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WOWWW [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been looking forward to this scene since i heard the white council was announced to be in it! You can clearly see Galadriel siding with Gandalf while Saruman/Elrond are more cautious. It's interesting hearing from the Chirstopher Lee interview how 'Saruman is good and noble in these movies', and yet perhaps we can see his slight mistrust/annoyance with gandalf - 'Always must you Meddle!'. Jealous of 'Narya' perhaps? ;)


Macfeast
Rohan


Dec 6 2012, 9:19pm

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That was my thought as well. [In reply to] Can't Post

The Angmar-war did take place earlier than that (1000 years earlier, rather than 400), but a change in timeline wouldn't be something new at this stage. Based on our knowledge of the Nazgûl-tombs, I'd say it'd make a good deal of sense having it be a reference to the Angmar-war, because it'd connect the war with the Nazgûl-tombs (which presumably would be made directly after said war), and neatly explain the peace; They bested and entombed the Nazgûl, and Sauron was thought bested since earlier, so of course there'll be peace.

Excellent clip. If this is the quality we can expect from the dialogue- and exposition-scenes, then I am in no rush to see the action-scenes.


(This post was edited by Macfeast on Dec 6 2012, 9:27pm)


sycorax82
Rohan

Dec 6 2012, 9:24pm

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I can see where the 'critics' are coming from; this really is for us fans! [In reply to] Can't Post

This White Council scene WILL stop proceedings stone dead for many casual viewers. For this reason, it may have ended up being an EE-only scene if PJ had stuck with 2 movies.

90% of the people who see AUJ will just be waiting for them to get on with the action or for the hot guy to come back onscreen, the comedy characters etc.

Of course, the rest of us are gonna lap this up! I really like how the other three are 'above' Gandalf.


Welsh hero
Gondor


Dec 6 2012, 9:36pm

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For 400 years we have had peace [In reply to] Can't Post

what war are they talking about?

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sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Dec 6 2012, 9:48pm

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One especially impressive thing about this clip... [In reply to] Can't Post

Is how well does the writing capture the music and cadence of Tolkien's dialogue, even though it's fanfiction.

If all of Peter's, Fran's and Philippa's additions to the basic story are of the same quality then we have an excellent movie on our hands (a masterpiece even)!


Tim
Tol Eressea


Dec 6 2012, 9:58pm

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Encyclopedia of Arda has a time frame tool, this is what I got from it: [In reply to] Can't Post

According to the Encylopedia of Arda, these are the events that happen roughly 400 years or so before that meeting of the White Council in 2941 Third Age. I'm not sure what would qualify here if anything as the trouble Elrond is alluding to.

Edit: Perhaps Rohan coming to the aid of Gondor? Elrond's wife leaves around this time frame.

The Third Age

2501 Léod is thrown by the horse Felaróf and dies. Eorl the Young becomes Lord of the Éothéod.
2509 Steward Cirion sends messengers into the north to seek aid from the Éothéod against Gondor's enemies.
Celebrían is captured by Orcs, and receives a poisoned wound.
2510 The Rohirrim ride to the aid of Gondor and are victorious in the Battle of the Field of Celebrant. They are given the land of Calenardhon (Rohan) to dwell in, and Eorl the Young becomes its first King.
Departure of Elrond's spouse Celebrían into the West.
2515 Likely date of birth of Húrin son of Hallas, who later ruled Gondor as Steward Húrin II.
2523 Death of Arahad I. He is succeeded as Chieftain of the Dúnedain by his son Aragost.
2542 Birth of Thrór, later King under the Mountain.
2545 Eorl of Rohan is slain in battle. He is succeed as King by his son Brego.
Likely date of the birth of Belecthor son of Húrin II, later Ruling Steward Belecthor I of Gondor.
2563 Probable date of the birth of Arahad son of Aravorn, later Chieftain Arahad II of the Dúnedain.
2567 Death of Steward Cirion. He is succeeded by his son Hallas.
2569 Meduseld, the Golden Hall of Edoras, is completed by King Brego. At the feast of celebration, Brego's son Baldor vows to enter the Paths of the Dead. He sets out for the Dwimorberg and is lost.
2570 Death of King Brego of Rohan, from grief at the loss of his son Baldor in the Paths of the Dead. He is succeeded by Baldor's brother Aldor.
2576 Likely date of the birth of Orodreth son of Belecthor I, later Ruling Steward of Gondor.
2585 Death of King Náin II of Durin's Folk. He is succeeded by his son, Dáin.
2588 Death of Chieftain Aragost of the Dúnedain. He is succeeded by his son, Aravorn.
2589 Dáin I and his son Frór are slain by a Cold-drake. Dáin is succeeded by his son Thrór.
2590 Grór, the younger brother of King Thrór of Durin's Folk, leads many Dwarves to settle in the Iron Hills east of Erebor.
The Dwarves of Durin's Folk return to Erebor.
2594 Birth of Fréawine, later King of Rohan.

http://www.glyphweb.com/...ar=2600&endage=3

Arthur: What manner of man are you that can summon up fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: I... am an enchanter.
Arthur: By what name are you known?
Tim: There are some who call me... 'Tim'...?
Arthur: ...greetings, Tim the Enchanter.


(This post was edited by Tim on Dec 6 2012, 10:00pm)

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