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Silmarillion and other books referencd in the Hobbit?

The Shire

Dec 6 2012, 10:45am

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Silmarillion and other books referencd in the Hobbit? Can't Post


Might we see elements of the Simmarilion, book of Lost Tales, and unfinished Tales used to flesh out these 3 movies?

Am keen to know!



Dec 6 2012, 10:52am

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Unfortunately, no. [In reply to] Can't Post

They only have the rights to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings.

We won't be seeing anything from the Silmarillion (or other books). Perhaps a generic/subtle reference, but that's as close as they can get to it.

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The Shire

Dec 6 2012, 11:07am

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LOTR [In reply to] Can't Post

But in the LOTR movies they mention Beren and Luthien?


Dec 6 2012, 11:11am

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They can get away with brief mentions like that [In reply to] Can't Post

Especially as they're referenced in the LOTR books (and appendices) - just like how Morgoth and Ungoliant will be referenced to in TH.

I'm not someone who knows anything about copyright law. The basic answer is no, but they can get away with these references.

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The Shire

Dec 6 2012, 11:13am

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M & U ?! [In reply to] Can't Post

Morgoth and Ungoliant in TH? Really?! Details please!


Dec 6 2012, 11:20am

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Just references (We don't see them). [In reply to] Can't Post

As revealed by Quint.

The words “Mirkwood,” “webs,” “Ungoliant” and “Dol Guldur” are mentioned.

Looks like I was wrong with Morgoth - he was mentioned in FOTR though.

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Superuser / Moderator

Dec 6 2012, 11:26am

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Anything mentioned in LOTR is okay [In reply to] Can't Post

For example, mentioning Beren & Luthien is fine because they were mentined several times in LOTR. Going into the hustory & back story of some of Beren's ancestors would be off-limits if they were never mentioned anywhere in LOTR or the appndices.

People consider the Ring of Barahir to be one of the best examples of where they pushed the limits a bit; it's mentioned in the appendices but only in the Sil does it describe what it looks like, and the ring Aragorn wears inthe movies is pretty dead-on.

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(This post was edited by Altaira on Dec 6 2012, 11:27am)


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