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Possible answer to the riddle?

Ave Moria
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Dec 4 2012, 9:40pm


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Possible answer to the riddle? [In reply to] Can't Post
Based on what people are saying, I think I have a solution-

Bolg was originally meant to be the primary Orc villain and was played by Conan Stevens. When 2 films became 3, PJ realized to give the Orc villain better motivation and a personal vendetta against the dwarves, particularly Thorin, he replaced Bolg with Azog, allowing him to become maimed instead of beheaded. This gives him the motivation to go after Thorin and Co, instead of just being an evil Orc out to kill Dwarves in a generic sense.

Then, PJ realizes with this Orc having such a presence, he needs to be able to have some dialogue and emote beyond what Conan Stevens was able to do, hence the recasting? of Manu. Hence the CG, allowing for custom character performance based off key frame animation and motion capture.

In short, Conan perhaps lacks the chops to play Azog like PJ wanted, so he opted for motion capture CG to flesh out his personality more, once PJ expanded the films realizing that since Sauron will have a small presence in Dol Guldur, he needed a more impactful villain since Dol is full of Orcs anyway, so why not have a bad to the bone Orc leader?

Subject User Time
Spoilers: AZOG and or BOLG? Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 4 2012, 7:53pm
    Both redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 4 2012, 7:58pm
    Not the same character dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Dec 4 2012, 7:59pm
    Also redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 4 2012, 8:00pm
    Have not seen... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 4 2012, 8:01pm
        Azog is the main villain in film one dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Dec 4 2012, 8:05pm
            But... Macsen Send a private message to Macsen Dec 4 2012, 8:43pm
        Yazneg? Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Dec 4 2012, 8:06pm
            Yazneg is... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 4 2012, 8:17pm
        im confused Azog Send a private message to Azog Dec 4 2012, 8:42pm
            We've only seen Bolg DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 4 2012, 8:46pm
                Ahh thanks Azog Send a private message to Azog Dec 4 2012, 8:50pm
                    That's Bolg in Macsen's link. / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 4 2012, 8:52pm
                    Two characters dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Dec 4 2012, 8:54pm
                        BUT HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE DEAD backpackin'man Send a private message to backpackin'man Dec 4 2012, 8:59pm
                            I would imagine they have changed things? Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Dec 4 2012, 9:01pm
                            Well redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 4 2012, 9:01pm
                            Short answer... Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Dec 4 2012, 11:17pm
                                Dain Ironfoot... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 4 2012, 11:45pm
                                    Bo5A Otaku-sempai Send a private message to Otaku-sempai Dec 5 2012, 5:13am
                                        Good thought Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 5 2012, 5:16am
                                Dain n Nain backpackin'man Send a private message to backpackin'man Dec 5 2012, 12:50am
                        Thanks Azog Send a private message to Azog Dec 4 2012, 9:03pm
                            You and everyone else! dave_lf Send a private message to dave_lf Dec 4 2012, 9:14pm
                                Hmm Azog Send a private message to Azog Dec 4 2012, 9:21pm
                                    i suppose it is all sort of exciting backpackin'man Send a private message to backpackin'man Dec 4 2012, 9:26pm
                                        Incredibly irrelevant to the plot, and the original story though. / DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 4 2012, 9:27pm
                                            agreed BUT backpackin'man Send a private message to backpackin'man Dec 4 2012, 9:29pm
                                                I wonder why.... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 4 2012, 9:39pm
                                Possible answer to the riddle? Ave Moria Send a private message to Ave Moria Dec 4 2012, 9:40pm
                                    Hmmm.... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 4 2012, 9:52pm
                                    This is what I don't really understand redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 4 2012, 9:55pm
                                        Of course it is unnecessary.... Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Dec 4 2012, 9:57pm
                                            I'm not saying it's bad redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 4 2012, 10:07pm
                                                Ah but there's the question. Lacrimae Rerum Send a private message to Lacrimae Rerum Dec 4 2012, 10:16pm
                                                    And of course this is a good point redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 4 2012, 10:38pm
                                        redgirraffe..... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 4 2012, 10:11pm
                                            On the up side... redgiraffe Send a private message to redgiraffe Dec 4 2012, 10:39pm
                                    Sounds right (Spoilers) shadowfaux Send a private message to shadowfaux Dec 4 2012, 10:01pm
                        Bozo Macsen Send a private message to Macsen Dec 4 2012, 9:07pm
                            Aha Macsen Send a private message to Macsen Dec 4 2012, 9:10pm
                            There were last minute casting and design changes to Azog DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Dec 4 2012, 9:18pm
                That's right... YaznegSouth40 Send a private message to YaznegSouth40 Dec 4 2012, 8:52pm
    I just dont get it backpackin'man Send a private message to backpackin'man Dec 4 2012, 8:38pm
    Azbolg Macsen Send a private message to Macsen Dec 4 2012, 8:41pm
    Crossing My Fingers joec_34 Send a private message to joec_34 Dec 5 2012, 8:35pm

 
 
 

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