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Spoilers: AZOG and or BOLG?
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Ave Moria
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 7:53pm

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Are both Azog AND Bolg in AUJ? Or does Bolg come in later films? Bolg is a practical character played by an actor, yet Azog has been said to be CGI. Some people are suggesting they are even the same character?

How can Azog have such a prominent role if he is dead (beheaded) per The Battle of Dimrill Dale?

Does anyone know?


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 7:58pm

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Are both Azog AND Bolg in AUJ? Or does Bolg come in later films? Bolg is a practical character played by an actor, yet Azog has been said to be CGI. Some people are suggesting they are even the same character?

How can Azog have such a prominent role if he is dead (beheaded) per The Battle of Dimrill Dale?

Does anyone know?



Apparently a few months ago there was a game workshop character list released or something and the description they had for Azog was that he was presumed to be dead but had shown up again.

People have theories that he may have been raised from the dead by the necromancer. Don't know though.

All we know is that he and Bolg are both in.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 4 2012, 7:59pm

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Not the same character [In reply to] Can't Post

Aside from the CGI vs. actor difference you mentioned, Azog is described as one-armed, and Bolg clearly has two. So unless Bolg ends up being the reanimated corpse of Azog with a new arm Frankensteined on or something like that (which is at least a little possible Unsure), they are two separate characters.

I don't know whether Bolg appears in Journey or not, but no review I've seen has mentioned him, while several have talked about Azog.


(This post was edited by dave_lf on Dec 4 2012, 8:00pm)


redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 8:00pm

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Are both Azog AND Bolg in AUJ? Or does Bolg come in later films? Bolg is a practical character played by an actor, yet Azog has been said to be CGI. Some people are suggesting they are even the same character?

How can Azog have such a prominent role if he is dead (beheaded) per The Battle of Dimrill Dale?

Does anyone know?


I'm a little disappointed by this change. I don't know why they feel the need to change parts to the dwarf history when it was already set up for such cool cinema storyling to begin with. Why add in the appendices material if you are just going to change it?

Either way, we haven't seen it yet so let's not make a full judgement.

On the upside, almost every reviewer I've seen Azog mentioned in has said he is freaking awesome!!!

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


YaznegSouth40
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 8:01pm

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the movie yet as it is not out yet , but in my opinion I believe Bolg is the main antagonist in this first movie installment (thus his action figure being out, pictures everywhere) so you know he will be prominently featured. But Azog I believe will just be in an introductory role and not as active as he will eventually be in the next two films.


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 4 2012, 8:05pm

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Azog is the main villain in film one [In reply to] Can't Post

according to multiple reviews.


Shagrat
Gondor

Dec 4 2012, 8:06pm

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Yazneg? [In reply to] Can't Post

Is he indeed Azog? The fact that John Rawls is still, I believe, credited, would suggest not. I'm confused what Yazneg's role is now with the changes to Azog's fate.


YaznegSouth40
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 8:17pm

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supposed to be a created by Jackson and Co. character who is in league with the Dol Guldur hordes that will ultimately be the vast menace by film three. However I believe he dies before There and Back Again. John Rawls who portrays him is not slated for TABA.


backpackin'man
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Dec 4 2012, 8:38pm

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As per the history of ME, Azog is clearly dead! What is the deal w his apparent resurrection? Also, Bolg is Azog's son...

Somebody please help to clarify the meaning of all this. It has me worried...


Macsen
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 8:41pm

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Putting Azog and Bolg in google images seems to turn up the same character? Crazy


Azog
Bree


Dec 4 2012, 8:42pm

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Isn't the white orc Azog?,when image search Blog the same character comes up,have pictures of both surfaced or has PJ combined the characters?


Macsen
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 8:43pm

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It's Bolg written on the toy box? Crazy

http://media.comicbookmovie.com/images/users/uploads/8073/hobtoy2.jpg


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 8:46pm

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We've only seen Bolg [In reply to] Can't Post

But both are described as big pale orcs.

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Azog
Bree


Dec 4 2012, 8:50pm

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like the above poster I was drawing a blank with Google search,so all the reviews calling him Azog are incorrect?,he's Bolg?


YaznegSouth40
Rivendell

Dec 4 2012, 8:52pm

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Bolg is the only one whose been seen SOOOOOO...he is THE antagonist for film one and Azog will be a menace on down the road.


DanielLB
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Dec 4 2012, 8:52pm

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That's Bolg in Macsen's link. / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 4 2012, 8:54pm

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No. There are two different characters--Azog, who is pale, 100% CGI, and missing an arm, and Bolg, who is also pale, a guy in a suit, and has two arms. Multiple reviewers have stated that Azog is the main villain of film 1. There were earlier indications that that role would be filled by Bolg, but not a single reviewer has mentioned him yet. So either something changed, or both are present but no one has seen fit to mention Bolg for some reason.


backpackin'man
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Dec 4 2012, 8:59pm

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Azog was killed by Nain. Beheaded in fact. His head was put on a stake outside the gates of Moria and his mouth was stuffed with a bag of coins.................how can he possibly be the main antagonist in film one?????????????


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Dec 4 2012, 9:01pm

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redgiraffe
Rohan

Dec 4 2012, 9:01pm

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Azog was killed by Nain. Beheaded in fact. His head was put on a stake outside the gates of Moria and his mouth was stuffed with a bag of coins.................how can he possibly be the main antagonist in film one?????????????


The elves weren't supposed to fight at Helm's Deep. And yet.. there they were.

-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle


Azog
Bree


Dec 4 2012, 9:03pm

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Ive been confused by this for a while


Macsen
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 9:07pm

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But if Azog is the main antagonist and Bolg isn't in it... why have they released a Bolg toy rather than a Azog toy? Unimpressed


Macsen
Lorien

Dec 4 2012, 9:10pm

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This may explain things... http://thorinoakenshield.net/2012/08/20/will-azog-the-orc-be-in-the-hobbit-movies/


dave_lf
Gondor

Dec 4 2012, 9:14pm

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You and everyone else! [In reply to] Can't Post

And these reports only make things more confusing since, as mentioned right above, Bolg AUJ toys have been released. I think the explanation has to be that the orc heroes were reworked as part of the two to three film revision.


DanielLB
Immortal


Dec 4 2012, 9:18pm

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There were last minute casting and design changes to Azog [In reply to] Can't Post

That will explain some of that. As to why he is the main villain, I haven't a clue!

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