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Dec 4 2012, 3:04pm

Post #26 of 82 (879 views)
We'll see how faithful it is. [In reply to] Can't Post

The clips all look faithful.. . but if the Dwarven and Arnorian history are as jacked as some reports suggest, that ain't faithfulness, and Peter aught to know it.

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"There has almost certainly never been an adaptation of a novel more studiously, scrupulously and strenuously faithful as Peter Jackson's film of J.R.R. Tolkien's The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. Spending nearly three hours of screen time to visually represent every comma, period and semicolon in the first six chapters of the perennially popular 19-chapter book, Jackson and his colleagues have created a purist's delight, something the millions of die-hard fans of his Lord of the Rings trilogy will gorge upon. In pure movie terms, however, it's also a bit of a slog, with an inordinate amount of exposition and lack of strong forward movement."Todd McCarthy


No need to alarm , for us that are tolkien's fanatics this negative review say all , it is a film for FANS.

greeting from Brazil

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."

The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 3:07pm

Post #27 of 82 (885 views)
I want slow pacing. [In reply to] Can't Post

"that if consensus is that slow pacing is a problem, that might influence editing decisions for the next 2 installments".

For me the biggest problems of the first 3 movies was the fast pacing....

Cave Troll

Dec 4 2012, 3:07pm

Post #28 of 82 (871 views)
Was going to say something similar. [In reply to] Can't Post

By far the biggest problem with The Phantom Menace was the dreary storyline, the abysmal acting and the fact that characters were given all the personality of a spoon. These are all things which have (thus far) emerged unscathed in Hobbit reviews.

The Hobbit is already one up on the Star Wars prequels if the fans alone love it.

(This post was edited by Cave Troll on Dec 4 2012, 3:08pm)

The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 3:09pm

Post #29 of 82 (870 views)
I dont mind the movie movie critics but..... [In reply to] Can't Post

I dont mind the movie being not liked by critics everyone is entitled to their own opinion.....i just wish some reviewers who dislike it would give constuctive (negative) comments not slating things (with a gun held to their head comments) .....

I think it is also that we care so much for the books and Movies many of us has been brought up on them that it is naturally hard if someone doesnt like what you are very fond of.....and a fair few of the negative reviews dont actually review some are barely able to write 2 paragraphs of comment let alone anything in details regards the negatives.....

read this review and i rest my case.......


so not being protective just want someone to be subjective in a non hostile but critical way.....

The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 3:14pm

Post #30 of 82 (857 views)
I my humble opinion .... [In reply to] Can't Post

 a negative review from Hollywood it is a good sign.


Dec 4 2012, 3:15pm

Post #31 of 82 (947 views)
Seriously? [In reply to] Can't Post

The movie hasn't even been released yet so how can it possibly be failing? And despite what the tomato-meter may say, from what I see there have been many positive reviews. Even the ones that are more on the negative side aren't completely negative. Yes, the reviews are mixed, but so what?

The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 3:15pm

Post #32 of 82 (835 views)
as long as..... [In reply to] Can't Post

all that is left out is added to the extended versions....but for one i like my monies worth so would rather see a 2.50mins film than 90mins anyday ;),,,,,people seem to only want action and no build-up...these films need the buildup because of all the characters.;..

Tampa Phil

Dec 4 2012, 3:17pm

Post #33 of 82 (812 views)
Critics are only human [In reply to] Can't Post

Some are going to be biased towards the franchise, some against. Some want to antagonize the fanbase, some will tread carefully because of it. Most probably just want to do the viewing experience justice.

A hallmark of LOTR was judicious streamlining of an overabundance of source material. The initial impression I get from reviews today is that the opposite has happen this time around. Which doesn't make it a disaster of The Cotton Club proportions. Just a perceived flaw that will probably see reviews tending to the lukewarm instead of wildly excited.


(This post was edited by Tampa Phil on Dec 4 2012, 3:20pm)

The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 3:17pm

Post #34 of 82 (817 views)
agree 100% [In reply to] Can't Post



Dec 4 2012, 3:22pm

Post #35 of 82 (858 views)
Time is on his side [In reply to] Can't Post

Jackson has much more time on his side to tell the tale now. Although there are issues with the peremptory analysis that claims he spent two minutes a page — basically, two chapters per hour — it is unquestionably true that Jackson has more screentime available to him here in The Hobbit than he had in the The Lord of the Rings.

That doesn’t entirely invalidate Christopher Tolkien’s stinging criticism that pandering to a mass-market audience necessarily warps his father’s tales by turning them into nothing more than action-adventure tales for youth. But it may on this occasion take a bit of the biting edge off that sting.

Some of the points of criticism are to me cause for celebration. For example, I am cheered that they criticize the singing. “Oh gosh, there were not one but two dwarf-songs before the hack-a-thon kicked into gear,” wail the impatient critics.

Fine by me. The lack of song in Jackson’s earlier movies adapting Tolkien has always bothered me. Song is important to the work; just look at what a good job Sibley did with it in his BBC radio adaptation. So unlike its critics, I for one am glad it is there. I am even more overjoyed that it is sung in the very style that the Professor himself envisioned it sung in.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311

(This post was edited by Finrod on Dec 4 2012, 3:24pm)


Dec 4 2012, 3:33pm

Post #36 of 82 (783 views)
Lets be careful not to be hypocritical [In reply to] Can't Post

I for one am concerned at the reviews so far. Typically the RT meter hits a high with the early reviews and then drops as other reviews follow en masse.

More importantly, I've seen this kind of reaction to negative reviews in other fan bases. Recent cases involve fans of Transformers or Batman fans (after the Dark Knight Rises) called out critics for being "elitists" and having hidden agendas.

Those arguments don't hold water; these are the same critics how almost uniformly praised past movies in the series or similar movies in the genre which were better executed.

In our case, many of these critics are the same ones who gave big thumbs up to FoTR which did go into a lot of exposition and did not contain as many scenes tailored to please the general public as its predecessors. I hope we all enjoy the movie more than some of these critics, but to simply dismiss their opinions because we don't like the result is disingenuous. We'd be celebrating if the reviews were glowing endorsements.

The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 3:33pm

Post #37 of 82 (794 views)
And Finrod Fell...Gil Galad [In reply to] Can't Post



You nailed..... agree 100% with you.


Dec 4 2012, 3:35pm

Post #38 of 82 (757 views)
You are [In reply to] Can't Post

Onto something. I've actually found that all of the reviews, positive or negative have just confirmed in my mind that I am going to love it.
As or the Phantom Menace comparisons. People have been wanting to compare this to the failed Star Wars prequel since before it was in pre-production. Frankly, I find the fact that people are still wanting to do this childish, distasteful, and an all around cop out.
The people that want this film to fail will say its a failure. PERIOD.

Tampa Phil

Dec 4 2012, 3:35pm

Post #39 of 82 (779 views)
Well, let's see: [In reply to] Can't Post

- doesn't hit the emotional heights of it's widely respected predecessor trilogy, check

- overabundance of CGI, much of it repetitive and some of it clunky, check

- critics not sold on comic relief characters and/or moments, check

- elements of fanbase upset at less than stellar reviews, check

So yes, something of that vibe.


The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 3:38pm

Post #40 of 82 (744 views)
errrrr check [In reply to] Can't Post

someone with a dastardly photo ..trying to stir up people

.,..........check ;)

Tampa Phil

Dec 4 2012, 3:43pm

Post #41 of 82 (719 views)
I get this in real life [In reply to] Can't Post

On the few occasions I'm trying to be (somewhat) serious, I get people look at me waiting for the punchline.

Still, that's the bed I make for myself.



Dec 4 2012, 3:53pm

Post #42 of 82 (676 views)
Nope [In reply to] Can't Post

Surely the fact that it doesn't hit the same emotional heights is inevitable, given that there is nothing really emotional in the sections of the book it is adapting?

The questionable comic relief moments could easily be applied to Gimli in TTT and ROTK, which were most certainly pretty goofy.

The point about the fanbase has nothing to do with the film itself.

The only point I do concur with is the use of CGI, which we've known about for a while now and should probably just resign ourselves to. What concerns me is that some might be less than perfect, especially Azog. But then even when you watch something like The Avengers, the very best CGI on moving creatures still cannot hide that they are CGI creations. And short of using animatronics and puppetry, which offer severe restrictions to a film-maker, I really don't see what else can be done.

Tampa Phil

Dec 4 2012, 4:00pm

Post #43 of 82 (670 views)
On the positive side [In reply to] Can't Post

this review seems to embrace the ethos behind the adaptation, and while echoing pacing issues, puts a positive spin on almost everything else: tone, characterization, effects, score.



The Shire

Dec 4 2012, 4:08pm

Post #44 of 82 (627 views)
yeh i like that one [In reply to] Can't Post

i think it was posted in another section earlier.....i really like this review...balanced and constructive ....i also like reviews good or bad if they dont give a score....an opinion if written well cant be given a score....


Dec 4 2012, 4:26pm

Post #45 of 82 (594 views)
This will be a fun movie! I'm so excited! [In reply to] Can't Post

I can't wait! Sorry if a movie needs> xx% to satisfy you, but I have read almost every review and watched the clips and haven't seen anything to make me think this will be a bad addition to the LOTR family.

For years I would say to people, "oh, he can't make the hobbit, it would be a disaster, all those dwarves ....", but somehow he is pulling this off!

I have no choice but to see it in 3D 24fps (I like 3D) first, but a week later I will be in a big city to try out the HFR presentation. I can't wait to compare the differences! I figure I will see it plenty of times in 2D at home, want to take advantage of the fancy tech on the big screen while I can!


Dec 4 2012, 4:58pm

Post #46 of 82 (520 views)
The Hobbit will not fail [In reply to] Can't Post

A movie is measured by how much money it makes. This movie will make boatloads of money.

It is critic-proof.

That's why they were able to make three. It can't fail.

So rest easy, I'm going to. I'll probably see this one at least 4 times in the theater and I'm not alone.


Dec 4 2012, 5:26pm

Post #47 of 82 (459 views)
,kkk [In reply to] Can't Post

Ain't it cool review 'wrap this up, and get the hell out of Middle Earth'

And therein lies the potential problem with the next two movies. AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY runs a healthy 160-plus minutes, and more than half of it is filler. Worse, I know goddamn well there's not 320-minutes worth of story left. Not even close. If I felt like Jackson was attacking this book with the all-in bravado he brought to THE LORD OF THE RINGS (and setting up more than Tolkien's book delivers), I'd forgive the bloat. But the listlessness of AN UNEXPECTED JOURNEY reminds me of the slow boat to Skull Island in KING KONG. We're adrift. So please, Mr. Jackson, wrap this up, and get the hell out of Middle Earth. This is beginning to feel more like cartography than storytelling.


please, we need a wizard to save this film...

Tol Eressea

Dec 4 2012, 5:30pm

Post #48 of 82 (445 views)
Save this film? [In reply to] Can't Post

The majority of reviews are positive, you just seem to focus on the negative ones.

Tol Eressea

Dec 4 2012, 5:31pm

Post #49 of 82 (429 views)
Why do we need a wizard to save this? [In reply to] Can't Post

Somebody just posted it's got a like a 91% fan review rating on rotten tomatoes.

Thou shalt not cherry-pick thy reviews. Wink

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Dec 4 2012, 5:35pm

Post #50 of 82 (430 views)
Cherry picking indeed [In reply to] Can't Post

That review had some positives in it.

Did you not expect there to be negative reviews? It confuses me as to why people are so influenced by other people's reviews.

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