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JWPlatt
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Nov 30 2012, 6:59pm

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How To Speak English In New Zealand Can't Post

Just change all your short Es to long and leave out all your Rs.

While watching The Lord of the Rings commentaries and all The Hobbit news coming out of New Zealand, I've become acutely aware that New Zealanders share a profound "speech impediment" where they cannot pronounce Rs or short Es at all. Maybe hanging upside down from the Earth is the cause?

Here's a short list of examples with ambiguities included. The actual word is spelled first, then the homophonic ambiguity:

Part pot
Pot pot
Farther father
Father father
Net neat
Neat neat
Bled bleed
Bleed bleed
network neat wok
Here hee
He he
Well wheel
Wheel wheel
Hat heat
Heat heat
Red eed
Reed eed
Hear ea
Ear ea
Best beast
Beast beast
Bet beat
Beat beat

Hobbit hobbit (ok, that one works)


(This post was edited by JWPlatt on Nov 30 2012, 7:00pm)


Ataahua
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Nov 30 2012, 8:13pm

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Ah yes, the Koiwoi iccent. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'll link to this before anyone else does and get it out of the way: How to speak New Zild.

There is also this well-written piece with some annoying home truths. A lot of our vocal muddiness would be mitigated if we were in the habit of opening our mouths more when we speak.

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Magpie
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Nov 30 2012, 8:21pm

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Melanie Lynsky was just on tv [In reply to] Can't Post

I first saw her on an American tv show years ago and a few more since and never knew till just a month ago that she was a Kiwi (and I didn't know she was in Heavenly Creatures).

It's still very startling for me to hear her speak with her natural accent.


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Ataahua
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Nov 30 2012, 8:43pm

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She's particularly good with accents. [In reply to] Can't Post

She has played Southern on Sweet Home Alabama, and had another distinctive accent in Coyote Ugly.

She has told a story of one time on the set of Two and a Half Men, during a break, Charlie Sheen heard her speaking in her Kiwi accent and he asked her what she was doing - "Is that an actor-y thing?" He was stunned when she said, "No, this is my normal accent." He hadn't realised she wasn't from the US.

Did I hear right that the UK nationality of the lead male actor in Homeland wasn't widely known until he spoke in his British accent while receiving a Golden Globe?

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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Kimi
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Nov 30 2012, 9:28pm

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I saw her in "House" recently. [In reply to] Can't Post

It took a moment to realise where I recognised her from. :)


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Starling
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Nov 30 2012, 9:50pm

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I can't be bothered opening my mouth [In reply to] Can't Post

any more than is absolutely necessary.
I speak normally. It's everyone else that doesn't sound right. Tongue


Magpie
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Nov 30 2012, 9:52pm

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Damien Lewis [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't know how widely it was known he was British but I've seen him recently on a late night talk show and they were razzing him a bit about his accent so it's certainly a point of interest.

I first saw him in the tv show Life and was just captivated by him. As I often do, I read up on him and discovered he was English then and that he's married to the actress who played Draco Malfoy's mother in the HP films!


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alienorchid
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Nov 30 2012, 11:26pm

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'R's are only articulated [In reply to] Can't Post

if there is a vowel sound after it.


Ataahua
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Dec 1 2012, 12:36am

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I wonder how similar that quirk is to the Boston accent? [In reply to] Can't Post

Doesn't that accent also glide over the Rs?

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauronís master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded beggar with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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dernwyn
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Dec 1 2012, 3:06am

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The Bahwston accent [In reply to] Can't Post

glosses over the internal R's, and then feeling guilty, adds one to the end of another word - unless it's already there, in which case it's ignored.

Such as: I pahked neah the hahbah and bahwt a soder.

Maybe living so close to that place is why I have little trouble understanding Kiwis! Laugh


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Annael
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Dec 1 2012, 4:51am

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very true [In reply to] Can't Post

We tease my mother that she can't pronounce her own name - she says "Sarahr." But she drives a cah.

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zarabia
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Dec 1 2012, 7:16am

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A question about NZ pronunciation of Auckland [In reply to] Can't Post

My mom, who has visited some of her step-children in New Zealand, insists that locals pronounce Auckland like Oakland, with a long o sound. To me, it sounds more like they pronounce the au like the au in August, but with their mouths closed more. So Americans say Auckland with their mouths quite open so that the au sounds like the ahhh when the doctor looks at your tonsilsLaugh But New Zealanders - and some of the posts here seem to validate my theory - also say ahh, not oh, but don't feel the need to submit to a medical exam when they do so.

What say those who know?

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Starling
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Dec 1 2012, 7:25am

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I can't think of any way to write it [In reply to] Can't Post

that will 'sound' right, if that makes sense.

All of these, barring the Australian, sound normal to me.


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Dec 1 2012, 7:59am

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Cool link! [In reply to] Can't Post

But it is a bit difficult to put one's finger on, isn't it? It's sort of in between an open ah and oh...hmmm. But, yes, the Australian certainly sounds different! Now, I'm going back to listen some more Smile

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Starling
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Dec 1 2012, 8:03am

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Missed the edit window on my post [In reply to] Can't Post

But I was going to go back and say that I think you are on the right track with your description in your first post.


zarabia
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Dec 1 2012, 8:14am

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Yay! Thanks :) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Starling
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Dec 1 2012, 8:47am

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Although [In reply to] Can't Post

To me it's more like 'or' than 'ah'. Bu my 'or' and your 'or' would sound different if we both said it, if you see what I mean! That's why I posted that link, because any time we try to describe sounds in our posts, we will read those sounds differently, depending on how we speak. Now I am really confusing myself!


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Dec 1 2012, 11:34am

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That reminds me of an episode of Full House [In reply to] Can't Post

Where two kids sneak onto a plane at the San Francisco airport. Before they know it, it's getting ready for takeoff, and they're stuck on the plane. So they ask a girl nearby where it's going and she replies with an accent, and it sounds like she says "Oakland".

The one stowaway kid says to the other: "Oh, that's no problem, it's right across the bay". But then the announcement comes over the PA saying: "Departing now for Auckland, New Zealand." Cue laugh track to wide-eyed kids. Then it cut to a commercial break.

I don't recall seeing the rest of the show but I'm sure they got off the plane somehow.

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Altaira
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Dec 1 2012, 4:32pm

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Once, when BG and I were checking in to fly to Auckland [In reply to] Can't Post

the person checking us in at the airline told us we needed to be in the line for domestic flights if we were going to Oakland. After a moment of confusion, we realized he wasn't understanding BG's accent. Laugh


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Dec 1 2012, 4:46pm

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You forgot... [In reply to] Can't Post

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losille
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Dec 1 2012, 9:07pm

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How to speak New Zild [In reply to] Can't Post

Nin tin dough - computer game caught my eye.
That is very close to being correct.
My son says that I am saying Nine Ten Dough. He can't talk right though he was raised in California.
I am from the southern part of the US and I have noticed that other parts of the country mispronounce words.


Starling
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Dec 1 2012, 10:41pm

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Now that [In reply to] Can't Post

would be an unexpected journey!


Starling
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Dec 1 2012, 10:42pm

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Those tricky Kiwi accents [In reply to] Can't Post

cause so much trouble!


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Annael
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Dec 2 2012, 2:39am

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LOL! [In reply to] Can't Post


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I have noticed that other parts of the country mispronounce words.


I've noticed that too, although I'm not from the south Wink

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zarabia
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Dec 2 2012, 5:28am

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I think I get what you're saying [In reply to] Can't Post

But I know now that I would certainly never be able to reproduce a believable kiwi accent Laugh

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