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Lacrimae Rerum
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Nov 27 2012, 9:43pm
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One would imagine that it is also about helping the audience to interpret Bilbo's
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Later actions. It is often easy to forget that we will be without benefit of narrator, of the description of Bilbo's thoughts or of any dialogue when we encounter the moment on film.
Instead, when we get there, Freeman will essentially be conveying as much as he can through mime and facial expression (in semi-darkness!)
"A sudden understanding, a pity mixed with horror, welled up in Bilbo’s heart: a glimpse of endless unmarked days without light or hope of betterment, hard stone, cold fish, sneaking and whispering. All these thoughts passed in a flash of a second. He trembled. And then quite suddenly in another flash, as if lifted by a new strength and resolve, he leaped."
Not the easiest charade to play or for the audience to interpret. A little dialogue here will no doubt be a good support.
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Nov 27 2012, 10:13pm
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I just hate the color grading in this clip.
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And the acting is a little bit dull. I cannot get used to this cheap look of digital.
Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle.
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imin
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Nov 27 2012, 10:40pm
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Daniel, Daniel, Daniel *shakes head* :P
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Lol, i was thinking you were doing so well!
I havent cracked - i am pleased people like it and thats enough for me.
I want to get those shivers down my spine at the cinema in glorious IMAX 3D HFR! Cant wait! 
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Estel78
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Nov 27 2012, 10:43pm
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Do you found Skyfall looking cheap? //
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Radagast-Aiwendil
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Nov 27 2012, 10:46pm
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Any doubts about this movie that I had are now gone
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Once again I am left entranced both by the wonderful score and Ian McKellen's perfect rendition of Gandalf. Martin Freeman is also brilliant here.
"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Nov 27 2012, 10:52pm
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Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle.
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DanielLB
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Nov 27 2012, 11:05pm
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I won't spoil it, but it's a brilliant 40seconds. It echoes a conversation between Gandalf and Frodo in FOTR too.
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blakeyamc
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Nov 27 2012, 11:09pm
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I would not judge the quality of the digital photography by this horribly compressed codec, on youtube. I would bet the color and exposure of the final image look nothing like what you see here. Andrew Lesnie and Peter Jackson, are not blind. Concerning the acting, I almost believe there is a cut in this scene, that is making it slightly awkward, right after Gandalf says, "The blade is of elvish make."
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Nov 27 2012, 11:20pm
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It does seem that the scene here looks a bit overexposed and almost no color grading applied to it.
Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle.
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Lusitano
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Nov 27 2012, 11:30pm
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the Red Cameras, thats for sure. Have you seen Finchers Girl with the dragon tatoo? That was Red epic and it looked stunning.
What exactly do u find cheap about the look?
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imin
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Nov 27 2012, 11:32pm
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Hehe, well it made you happy so its all good
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I am pleased you liked it as it makes me think i will like it.
So far i do kinda feel i have missed out as i havent looked at many new photos, the soundtrack at all or this clip, lol.
I am really excited from what everyone is saying, haha.
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Unusual Muse
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Nov 27 2012, 11:37pm
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The color looks TERRIBLE!! What happened?
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Is it just me, or does the color grading in this clip look like a bad Instagram? The clip almost looks like it was shot in black and white and then colorized! The flesh tones are washed out and the blues (Gandalf's hat and eyes) are WAY saturated. Surely, this can't be what Peter intended; he has stated all along that his goal was to make fantasy look real, and this treatment just pulls me right out of the film.
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blakeyamc
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Nov 27 2012, 11:41pm
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Is it just me, or does the color grading in this clip look like a bad Instagram? The clip almost looks like it was shot in black and white and then colorized! The flesh tones are washed out and the blues (Gandalf's hat and eyes) are WAY saturated. Surely, this can't be what Peter intended; he has stated all along that his goal was to make fantasy look real, and this treatment just pulls me right out of the film.
I posted this for another user and now for you:
Don't be Hasty.
I would not judge the quality of the digital photography by this horribly compressed codec, on youtube. I would bet the color and exposure of the final image look nothing like what you see here. Andrew Lesnie and Peter Jackson, are not blind.
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MediaMalable
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Nov 27 2012, 11:46pm
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Exactly! Not only is it a horribly compressed youtube encode, it's a horribly compressed youtube encode drawn from a TV broadcast source! Brightness, color, contrast, and obviously CLARITY, are likely dramatically different then what you will see in the theater or on your DVD or Blu Ray.
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DanielLB
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Nov 27 2012, 11:47pm
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I reckon we'll get loads of new clips
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There'll be "exclusives" on TV when the actors come to the UK - keep an eye out for morning news (BBC 1 and ITV) and shows like the One Show. I won't watch them with the release so close.
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narflet
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Nov 28 2012, 1:39am
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But if you do, remember this...
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stick 'em with the pointy end!
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Silverlode
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Nov 28 2012, 2:38am
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Part of me is sad that Bilbo isn't allowed to have his defining moment of greatness un-coached, but portraying the inner conflict and decision process Bilbo undergoes at that moment was always going to be a difficult thing. This foreshadowing should put the audience on the same page with Bilbo at that point. I think I will be able to live with it.
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Captain Salt
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Nov 28 2012, 2:40am
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Yay! Ian WAS Gandy (as always)
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and I love they've kept a bit of Tolkien's humanism in there somewhere! Also, nicely foreshadows Bilbo's fateful decision concerning a certain cave-dwelling individual.
My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 28 2012, 2:57am
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The blues are blue like they aught to be. Gandalf wears a BLUE hat.
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And the clearer that is the better. All these toys making the hat grey, and even some of the film photos. This clip made my day, partly for the great content, but also because it was proof positive of a tall, pointed BLUE hat. Is it just me, or does the color grading in this clip look like a bad Instagram? The clip almost looks like it was shot in black and white and then colorized! The flesh tones are washed out and the blues (Gandalf's hat and eyes) are WAY saturated. Surely, this can't be what Peter intended; he has stated all along that his goal was to make fantasy look real, and this treatment just pulls me right out of the film.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Morok Cloudkeeper
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Nov 28 2012, 8:48am
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Well the last Pirates of the Caribbean was shot on RED
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And it looked stunning to me as I have seen it in cinemas. I just don't like the color grading at all in this clip, but I assume this scene will look totally different in theaters.
Your work is going to fill a large part of your life, and the only way to be truly satisfied is to do what you believe is great work. And the only way to do great work is to love what you do. If you haven't found it yet, keep looking. Don't settle.
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Jettorex
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Nov 28 2012, 2:04pm
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Interesting comments, Fanoriel..
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I'm curious. Where is the "Comedy" in this scene?
Also, what is this "most important decision" in Bilbo's life you speak of?
- "I don't know half of you half as well as I should like; and I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve."
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Kassandros
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Nov 28 2012, 3:30pm
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But the decision she is referring to is Blibo's decision to spare Gollum's life.
Without this, of course, Frodo's quest would have failed.
I actually wonder if there would have even been a quest. Would murdering Gollum have changed Bilbo into a creature much more like Gollum? Is the only difference between Smeagol and Bilbo the fact that one killed under the influence of the ring and the other did not? Just something I've been thinking about recently.
all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 28 2012, 9:29pm
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And he has been well rewarded for that pity
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"Be assured that he took so little hurt from the Evil of this thing, because he began his ownership of it so: with Pity."But the decision she is referring to is Blibo's decision to spare Gollum's life.
Without this, of course, Frodo's quest would have failed.
I actually wonder if there would have even been a quest. Would murdering Gollum have changed Bilbo into a creature much more like Gollum? Is the only difference between Smeagol and Bilbo the fact that one killed under the influence of the ring and the other did not? Just something I've been thinking about recently.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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