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**In the beginning was the Rankin Bass Hobbit, Part 12-- Grand Finale**


Nov 27 2012, 5:38am

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**In the beginning was the Rankin Bass Hobbit, Part 12-- Grand Finale** Can't Post

Here is the last installment in this very, very irregular series of posts featuring images from the soundtrack booklet for the Rankin Bass Hobbit --I thought I'd better post this before the NZ Hobbit premiere...if you are lucky enough to be there, congratulations! And if you aren't lucky enough to be there, consider this your consolation prize (well, it's a pretty lousy consolation prize, I know, but it's the best I've got!)

The final two images are these:

Comments and Questions for your discussion pleasure:

1. Poor Thorin in all those bandages! Looks like they even wrapped up his beard. It's a bit too modern hospital shot to me -- what's your take on this image? How bad do you expect Jackson to make Thorin look on his deathbed?

2. I was glad R/B used the book dialogue in the Thorin/Bilbo scene...what, for you, are the aspects of Thorin's death scene that Jackson absolutely, positively has to get right for you to be happy?

3. What do you like/dislike about the Rankin Bass take on Bag End? Do you see similarities between Bilbo's R/B home and Jackson's Bag End?

4. To me, Bilbo looks a bit wistful in this parting shot...what do you think? Was the R/B Bilbo really happy to be home after all his adventures, or, does he look like he'd rather be out in the wide world again here? Given what we know about Jackson's Bilbo from the LOTR films, how do you think Jackson will conclude his journey in the Hobbit films?

5. Any other thoughts on these images, or the Rankin Bass Hobbit in general?

Thanks to everyone who joined in or lurked through these posts...I haven't been able to be as active on this board or TORn in general these days, but I was glad I could sneak in this series here and there.

And now, on to the Jackson Hobbit films! Premiering this week in NZ, wow!



Nov 27 2012, 8:07am

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Thorin and Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

1. Thorin doesn't look like he's dieing at all in that picture - he just looks injured, and very uncomfortable! They could have used a lot less bandaging. Wink

I think Thorin will look like Theodred on his death bed (not something nice to think about, mind). All bruised and bloodied, going in and out of unconsciousness. It really does have the potential to be quite moving. No jokes or burping in this scene please PJ.

2. The most important thing for me that they have to get right, is the actual death of Thorin. Beorn lifting Thorin off of the battle field is incredibly moving. Anything after that is a bonus.

3. I don't have any problems with the RB version of Bag End. It looks like a comfy Hobbit hole to me! In terms of visuals, it reminds be too much of Rhosgobel.

4. Bilbo always had a "split personality". He always wanted to go back home, but at the same time, he loved his adventure. I like this question, because I think the answer is both - sitting in front of his fire is what he dreamed for, for ages; but he'd still like to be out there, fighting goblins and riddling monsters!

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Nov 27 2012, 12:15pm

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DanielLB pretty much summed up exactly how I feel about the other questions.

The one thing I never understood about the RB version is why the promotional images look so vastly different from the actual cartoon. Bilbo looks odd in the cartoon to begin with, but in comparison to that last picture you posted, he looks downright cute. That's not even how Bag End looks in the actual cartoon and Bilbo himself looks like some sort of goblin with hairy feet.

"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"


Nov 27 2012, 3:04pm

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"It was I that did not understand war" [In reply to] Can't Post

#2 - the one place where I think R&B not only improved Tolkien, but where they actually hacked into his mind and used a line he forgot to write down. Thorin's death is so powerful to me (made me cry as a kid, and still gives me a lump in my throat) because he comes full circle and realizes where he was wrong, but also because of the importance of that message. Whether you were watching it in the aftermath of the Vietnam War or watching it in the aftermath of the War on Terror, his apology is heartbreaking in it's relevance. "It was I who did not understand war [..] If more of us valued food and cheer over hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world."

If there's one thing I wish PJ would include, it's the R&B original line ""It was I that did not understand war"

"There are no safe paths in this part of the world. Remember you are over the Edge of the Wild, and in for all sorts of fun wherever you go."


Nov 27 2012, 4:13pm

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If there's one thing I wish PJ would include, it's the R&B original line ""It was I that did not understand war"

It's unlikely to be. It's a very nice line, but aside from the obvious copyright issues, it would be an inappropriate line for PJ's The Hobbit which gives Thorin and co. a detailed backstory, including the Battle of Azanulbizar. It would be out of character even under the circumstances.

It's a very nice line, but it's meant for a very different context, I'm afraid.


Nov 27 2012, 5:00pm

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Always enjoy these posts - thanks. [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm still wondering if they will ever give this movie a proper DVD/Blu-Ray issue. The old DVD (now out of print) apparently has sound issues - missing sound FX and dialogue even. I'm still clinging to my old VHS tape.


Nov 27 2012, 5:46pm

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I'm still wondering if they will ever give this movie a proper DVD/Blu-Ray issue. The old DVD (now out of print) apparently has sound issues - missing sound FX and dialogue even. I'm still clinging to my old VHS tape.

Movies always get re-releases when a remake rolls out. They dug up the LotR animations when PJ's first trilogy came out. I have little doubt that the same's going to happen with The Hobbit, if for no reason than the cynical notion that whoever owns the copyright wants to make money from association, hoping that people will pick up the title without realizing it's not Peter Jackson's Hobbit.


Nov 27 2012, 5:55pm

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That's what I would have figured too, and I thought it was coming when the original DVD went out of print quite some time ago (it's been a couple years now, I think). But we're getting really close to the Hobbit premiere and still no release date for this has appeared anywhere - maybe they'll just slip it out at the last minute with no fanfare, though. The better question is if they'll fix the audio track issues, because the clips I've seen from the original DVD are intolerable (especially to someone like me who watched this movie a few times a year throughout his entire childhood, and knows how it SHOULD sound).

(This post was edited by dalecooper on Nov 27 2012, 5:56pm)


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