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Could PJ kill off Radagast?
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Eleniel
Grey Havens


Nov 24 2012, 11:05pm

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Exactly... [In reply to] Can't Post

Why not simply have Rady go AWOL? ...it's what Tolkien suggests happens in the end, pretty much, anyway. Perhaps he gets PTSD after the assault on Dol Guldur...


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






painjoiker
Grey Havens


Nov 24 2012, 11:33pm

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Radagast will die... [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't know when and where, but I am sure of it!

I guess it will happen sometime during the Dol Guldur sequence Frown

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Bladerunner
Gondor


Nov 24 2012, 11:42pm

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I've always, and still, dislike this line of thinking.... [In reply to] Can't Post

I prefer that Radagast just decided to completely "check out" of interacting with humans (men, elves, dwarves, etc.) after the Battle of Five Armies, than to have him killed in any number of ways.
(I also dislike on many levels, the theory that he is reincarnated as a moth).

One other notion that I've been contemplating is that as a final gesture in his dealings with human-kind, Radagast decides to help in the rebuilding of, and perhaps even temporarily relocates to, Dale.
This idea is based on the video of Silvester McCoy walking around the Dale set during part of Video Log 8.
Perhaps after helping with rebuilding Dale he decides to depart to the east of Middle Earth in search of the Blue Istari, Alatar and Pallando, or to just reconnect with the flora and fauna of that region.
That would explain his absence during the events of the Lord of the Rings.

Perhaps he can be shown giving Gandalf the dragon fireworks in Dale before Gandalf departs to the Shire for Bilbo's birthday, and Radagast departs to the east.

I'd much prefer these scenarios than having him killed by Saruman or the Necromancer.

(This post was edited by Bladerunner on Nov 24 2012, 11:49pm)


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 25 2012, 1:48am

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Radagast [In reply to] Can't Post

Is The Doctor, so he would only regenerate anyway. Wink

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 25 2012, 1:29pm

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I was almost sure about it previously [In reply to] Can't Post

but the word game that someone had heard/read somewhere a confirmation that Radagast will turn into the moth. This opens PJ a door to explain Radagast absence in LotR by including him via the moth.

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Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 25 2012, 1:34pm

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On the Saruman FOTR point, I don't see that as any great issue. [In reply to] Can't Post

Firstly, I would always advocate watching prequels after the original but, putting that to one side, Saruman is presented as evil almost immediately upon meeting him in FOTR and this is fully confirmed in under a minute.
There is no extended plot strand where we believe him to be good only to have our thoughts reversed by a dramatic reveal. It is important that Gandalf doesn't suspect (or overly suspect) Saruman prior to this meeting but far less so for the audience.

LR


totoro
Lorien

Nov 25 2012, 10:26pm

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Even in FotR [In reply to] Can't Post

Gandalf looks suspicious of Saruman from the outset. When he says to Bilbo that Saruman will know what to do, he looks very nervous. I think Saruman could do something in one of the Hobbit movies that makes Gandalf suspicious, but unwilling to make the logical leap to Saruman having fallen.

In any case, I think it has been confirmed that Saruman is the unfallen variety. I cannot see him harming Radagast given he is unfallen.

Just as a thought experiment, though: If he did backstab Radagast, I think it would work best if Raddy were trying to help the dwarves before they are treed, which would mean Radagast is out of the second movie and the audience knows Saruman is bad. It would be interesting in that the Eagles come to save Gandalf when Saruman has somehow maneuvered him into ambush, then Eagles save him later when Saruman imprisons him.


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Firstly, I would always advocate watching prequels after the original but, putting that to one side, Saruman is presented as evil almost immediately upon meeting him in FOTR and this is fully confirmed in under a minute.
There is no extended plot strand where we believe him to be good only to have our thoughts reversed by a dramatic reveal. It is important that Gandalf doesn't suspect (or overly suspect) Saruman prior to this meeting but far less so for the audience.
LR



Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 25 2012, 10:38pm

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Not sure he is all that unfallen [In reply to] Can't Post

"The venerable and mighty Saruman belongs with four other wizards to the Guardians of Middle Earth that care for order and balance in the world. Especially Saruman arranges the fate of the free nations at his own discretion. As head of the White Council, he fears with growing unease that Gandalf the Grey and Thorin Oakenshield’s companions could mess up his careful calculations. Saruman is indeed very old and wise but gives in to his subliminal weakness and is greedy for power – a greed that ultimately produces the most deadly of all unions."

So sayeth his character description

LR

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