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Well, yes

sador
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Nov 25 2012, 9:08am


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Bard did not expect to find Thorin alive. However, once he did, it took him another day to actually greet him, in the meantime moving his army as if to siege. So this was clearly not a spontanous sign of relief, and even the show of friendship was a preliminary to a list of demands. And of course, he had no way of knowing the dwarves fortified the Mountain against him - after all, in the Wild they could expect attack from many quarters (as happened pretty soon, with the goblin).
What would have happened had Bard found them undefended? That's anyone's guess. You may be right, but there is also the possibility that he would have just captured the Mountain and took the whole treasure for himself, and even had he been reluctant to do so that some of his Men would have, and/or fall into fighting among themselves. Like Hurin's followers in The Nuaglafring (BoLT II).

An intersting question which I haven't considered before is, did Thorin know Bard? Bilbo did (which I find rather sweet, conjuring up an image of the one person in Esgaroth actually noticing the poor sneezer - but no, the elf sentinels in A Thief at Night knew the dwarves had a hobbit), but did Thorin?
It appears that he didn't know him by sight; however, I wonder if he knew that such a person, with a claim to be Girion's Heir, existed. It could be that Bard kept himself under the radar, and the Master probably had no interest in these two meeting; had they made an allaince (or fell out) back in Lake-town, the story might have been pretty different, don't you think?
But the story is told entirely from Bilbo's POV - so we can't know.

"As all things come to an end, even this story..."

Here we read of Bilbo, who is “quiet and drowsy”, that “every now and again he would open one eye” and listen to Gandalf’s tale. Is Tolkien deliberately echoing this passage in LOTR when he writes, “At that Bilbo opened an eye, almost as if he had heard … ‘You see, I am getting so sleepy’, he said.”?
- N.E. Brigand



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The Last Stage, part II - "And back again" sador Send a private message to sador Nov 13 2012, 4:02pm
    A few answers FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Nov 15 2012, 10:53am
        Replying to your answers sador Send a private message to sador Nov 15 2012, 4:21pm
            Replying to your reply and some more answers... FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Nov 18 2012, 5:35pm
                I was hoping to avoid referencing BotR this week! sador Send a private message to sador Nov 19 2012, 9:41am
                    I wish I had more time! telain Send a private message to telain Nov 19 2012, 4:09pm
                        So so I! sador Send a private message to sador Nov 21 2012, 10:04am
                            Ah, solicitors. dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Nov 25 2012, 2:56am
    Counting the silver CuriousG Send a private message to CuriousG Nov 19 2012, 11:29pm
        Nobody rose to the bait... sador Send a private message to sador Nov 21 2012, 10:39am
            *raises eyebrows high* dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Nov 25 2012, 3:14am
                Well, yes sador Send a private message to sador Nov 25 2012, 9:08am
                    Heirs apparent dernwyn Send a private message to dernwyn Nov 27 2012, 2:26am

 
 
 

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