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jimmyfenn
Rohan


Nov 23 2012, 5:00pm

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theres been a lot of negatives about the stone giants, i personally think they look pretty cool, but lets not forget this is a 3d film! and this sequence is made for it!

there's always the '3d' shot in these films and i think theyll be a few in the first episode


i myself am looking forward to this bit :)

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 23 2012, 5:11pm

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I think some of the negativity comes down to [In reply to] Can't Post

Whether you believe they are literal or metaphorical beings in the book.

I love that they will be included, and the scene looks amazing.

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jimmyfenn
Rohan


Nov 23 2012, 5:18pm

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oh.. [In reply to] Can't Post

i always thought they were real, no question, why wouldnt i ? lol

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Thorins_apprentice
Rohan


Nov 23 2012, 5:22pm

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Many people thought they'd be left out [In reply to] Can't Post

I knew Pj, would cease the oppurtunity and elaborate the sequence into a major set piece and i love him for it.It's going to be interesting, that the stone giants actually pose a real threat to the company, rather than just being there with no significance ,other than throwing rocks at each other.By the looks of things, the visual effects are going to be spectacular.Wink

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(This post was edited by Thorins_apprentice on Nov 23 2012, 5:23pm)


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 23 2012, 5:24pm

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I was stoked when we first saw them [In reply to] Can't Post

I never ever imagined them to be shown. I was very happy to be proven wrong.

Of course, how the actual scene(s) plays out will determine whether I like it or not, but I am looking forward to them.

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TheHutt
Gondor


Nov 23 2012, 5:27pm

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Now what's missing is only the talking purse™... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and as soon as I see this, I'll be happy. Sly

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Sam20
Lorien

Nov 23 2012, 5:29pm

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Giant [In reply to] Can't Post

All I can say is that I'll wait to see the scene more precisely before further comment. We see glimpses of them in the trailers but from the few seconds where they appear I didn't thought they were that bad. I have to say that it is positive that they have been added at all in the film!


(This post was edited by sam90 on Nov 23 2012, 5:34pm)


Danielos
Rohan

Nov 23 2012, 5:31pm

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Plot hole [In reply to] Can't Post

The problem with showing creatures like that is that people will be wondering where they are during LOTR. People will ask: "So why didn´t Sauron/Aragorn use the Stone Giants?" They seem so insanely huge and powerful that they make every creature in LOTR like ents, mumakil, fell beasts and troll seem ludicruous and insignificant in comparison.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Nov 23 2012, 5:31pm

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I never doubted that the giants were meant to be real... [In reply to] Can't Post

I just never imagined them as appearing as though they were actually made of stone!

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jimmyfenn
Rohan


Nov 23 2012, 5:31pm

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i reckon [In reply to] Can't Post

if a magic ring can 'talk' so can a purse, therefore the purse used to belong to sauron which he kept rings in i suspect ;)

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 23 2012, 5:49pm

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Yes, good point. [In reply to] Can't Post

I never imagined them as Stone either.

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 23 2012, 5:49pm

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Eol could also be a suspect / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 23 2012, 6:10pm

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

It's awesome that they're literal stone giants and I'd make the same choice if I were making the movie.

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 23 2012, 6:11pm

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I don't think so [In reply to] Can't Post

It's not as though Sauron is controlling the giants. They are acting independently. I think most people will be able to understand that.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 23 2012, 6:14pm

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It's always a problem [In reply to] Can't Post

And people won't understand unless it's explained to them. I can think of a couple of things that might explain their absence:

1. They went missing like the Entwives
2. They destroyed each other
3. They could not be controlled by Sauron/Sauron did not know they existed
4. They travelled North or East, out of the War of the Ring
5. They are metaphorical beings

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imin
Valinor


Nov 23 2012, 6:36pm

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or literal but not made of stone but just giants who live amongst stone (mountains). // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Thorins_apprentice
Rohan


Nov 23 2012, 6:37pm

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60 years later. [In reply to] Can't Post

Anything, could happen to them between then.They could have just gone extinct.WinkAt the time of the lord of the rings, the Dwarves are all in hiding and nearly all wiped out

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imin
Valinor


Nov 23 2012, 6:39pm

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To make it easy on themselves in the movie universe [In reply to] Can't Post

They should just have them smash each other to pieces so they 'die' that way getting rid of the problem of, why didnt frodo just jump on a stone giant and walk to mount doom or something to that nature.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 23 2012, 6:55pm

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I like this extinction idea [In reply to] Can't Post

It's quite unique to anything else that's happened in Middle-earth. It runs parallel with the Entwives as well.

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jimmyfenn
Rohan


Nov 23 2012, 6:58pm

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sort of like ents but the stony versions [In reply to] Can't Post

there obviously an endangered species dying out, like everything else in middle earth, elves dwarves, orcs, balrogs ,ents, stone giants! thats the whole point of these stories right? to explain where all the magic creatures went, why only men are left now! no one hardly uses the passes of the mountains anymore, hence not seeing them!

rant lol

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painjoiker
Grey Havens


Nov 23 2012, 8:12pm

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When I read the book I get the feeling that those stone giants are real! [In reply to] Can't Post

They refer to them 3-4 times in dialog as real beings, and I think they would just talk about rain and thunder if that was the case Smile

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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 23 2012, 8:24pm

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What's the case for them being metaphorical? [In reply to] Can't Post

There seem to be several comments which don't obviously fit with that idea.

LR


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 23 2012, 8:28pm

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Real, yes. [In reply to] Can't Post

But somehow they felt disconnected from the rest of Middle-earth.

It's like humans in comparison to ants. We're much larger than ants and have our own large world to deal with, but the ants also have their own world. I imagine the dwarves (and hobbits and elves) are comparable to the ants and the giants to humans. They all live in the same world, but their worlds are perceived so differently.

Did I make any sense? Unimpressed

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


ForestPark
Rivendell


Nov 23 2012, 9:49pm

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save that elimental forces [In reply to] Can't Post

maybe bourne of local. Smaug may = Tiamat.


Fredeghar Wayfarer
Lorien


Nov 24 2012, 7:17am

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Stone-giants [In reply to] Can't Post

I agree, Ardamire. The Stone-giants seemed very elusive and mysterious in the book. I assume they probably kept to themselves and weren't concerned by the affairs of the "Small Folk." Hence why they didn't play a part in the War of the Ring.

As far the movie version, I never imagined them as being made of stone, just an exceptionally large race of Man. Kind of reverse-Hobbits. If they're actually made of stone, it begs the question of just what they are. A distant cousin of the Stone-trolls? Maiar spirits of the earth?

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