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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 2:18pm
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Observation on the eagles (SPOILERS if you didn't see the scans of the WETA book)
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Don't read if you don't want to get spoilers based on 'the Hobbit: chronicle' scans. I think the eagle's eyrie will be left out. Based on these scans, the movie ends at the Carrock (btw. a design that really wowed me! Wonderfull!). I think this means the eagles pick them up from the burning trees and fly them straight to the edges of Mirkwood, leaving them at the top of the Carrock (this could provide wonderfull images: the sunset over the woods for instance). But this also means two other things, or at least what I think it means: 1) The eagles won't talk, and in extend: none of the birds in 'the hobbit' will. 2) This leaves out the possibility to give the eagles more backstory, and to give them a reason why they don't just fly them to the mountain (unless maybe Radagast tells more about it). Any thoughts?
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Kangi Ska
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Nov 23 2012, 2:33pm
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Mirkwood is east of The Carrock
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The Sun would rise over the Forest.
Kangi Ska Resident Trickster & Wicked White Crebain Life is an adventure, not a contest. At night you can not tell if crows are black or white.
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Fàfnir
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Nov 23 2012, 3:22pm
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it's already night for "out of the frying pan", so i wouldn't be surprised //
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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 3:47pm
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It's my inability to express myself flawless in english, although I do the best I can :)
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Xanaseb
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Nov 23 2012, 4:06pm
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wait, Carrock is confirmed, and has been shown already??? :D :D awesome!!
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It has great potential for Epicness that whole scene!
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Fardragon
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Nov 23 2012, 4:07pm
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I see no reason for not having a talking raven
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Real ravens can learn words in human speech. The thrush, of course, doesn't speak English. Bard understands thrush-language.
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Valandil ed Imladris
Lorien
Nov 23 2012, 4:14pm
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Peter wouldn't end the film with a rush into the next adventure. There has to be some kind of pause, so the eyrie fits rather well. I don't expect it to be missing in the film.
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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 4:35pm
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of the WETA book on AUJ, with art & design, and it looks awesome!
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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 4:41pm
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I would really like Roäc to be in the movies and talking, but I'm not so sure they will keep him in, or let him talk. Talking animals are 'a dangerous business' on film, it can easily become very silly. On one hand we know the spiders will 'communicate' but that doesn't mean 'talk'. On the other hand Smaug will talk, and he can also be concidered 'an animal'
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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 4:48pm
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but the Carrock can function as this kind of pause. Have you seen it in the scans? It's not just a little rock. It has a grand view! That's why I think it will replace the eyrie as resting/pause point.
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Nov 23 2012, 4:50pm
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Just because we didn't see the eyries in the book scans
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doesn't mean they're not in the movie. Heck, they could be in the book too, and just weren't scanned. Of course, it's possible the eyrie scene is cut. After the climatic escape from the fiery forest, a stop at the eyries might feel dragging. I personally wish to see them. After getting all these Deus Ex Machina eagles, it'd be nice to let them have more to them than just serving as the M-E tax service. (Btw, let's hope the easgle rescue has some foreshadowing. Possibly by Radagast. Otherwise the audience may not take kindly to it.)
But every word you say today Gets twisted 'round some other way And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 4:50pm
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because of copyright issues, which is understandable ofcourse :)
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Nov 23 2012, 4:52pm
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We already know Radagast is going to talk in a bird language
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with his birds. And the "dialogue" is going to be subtitled. So most certainly our friend Roac is going to talk too.
But every word you say today Gets twisted 'round some other way And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 5:00pm
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the eagles are still the deus ex machina's and giving them some background will help to change it, that's true. Although PJ loves multiple endings I think 'standing-at-the-eyrie-and-looking-at-landscapes' resembles 'standing-at-the-carrock-and-looking-at-landscapes' too much
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Jago M
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Nov 23 2012, 5:03pm
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we hear him whistle in one of the vlogs, no?
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 23 2012, 5:41pm
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The Eagles talking aren't a deal-breaker for me...
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I will still be disappointed if the Eagles don't speak, but there are enough characters in the book that can understand bird-speech that I would be okay with Gandalf speaking for them (as long as it is made clear that the Great Eagles are intelligent). In story terms, I think it is actually more important that Roäc and his kin can be understood by the audience.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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totoro
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Nov 23 2012, 6:44pm
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TH never indicates Eagles speak the common tongue...
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... their speech could easily sound like the noises an eagle makes.
I will still be disappointed if the Eagles don't speak, but there are enough characters in the book that can understand bird-speech that I would be okay with Gandalf speaking for them (as long as it is made clear that the Great Eagles are intelligent). In story terms, I think it is actually more important that Roäc and his kin can be understood by the audience.
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Nov 23 2012, 6:48pm
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Sylvester McCoy commented in the Hobbit art book he appreciated the fact he had to learn less lines because some of his "conversations" were just him whistling and would get subbed in the movie.
But every word you say today Gets twisted 'round some other way And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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Otaku-sempai
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Nov 23 2012, 6:49pm
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There is no indication that Bilbo or the Narrator are translating the Eagles' dialogue from bird-speech; and every indication that they are speaking the common tongue. The book makes it apparent that Bilbo cannot understand the normal speech of birds of any type (he only pretends to partially understand the crows and the thrush).
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Nov 23 2012, 6:50pm
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The eyrie scene is nervously cuttable... It doesn't really serve any crucial point.
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Nov 24 2012, 12:22am
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They were up for only a short while. I barely had time to see all the pics, and FAAAAM, the link was dead.
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The Grey Pilgrim
Lorien
Nov 24 2012, 12:23am
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It's probably for the best though, I don't wanna be TOO spoiled .
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea
Nov 24 2012, 12:37am
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missing spoilers isn't as bad as it used to be still some months ago, or some years ago. Back then we truly starved for anything, didn't we?
But every word you say today Gets twisted 'round some other way And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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