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Magpie
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Nov 22 2012, 5:35pm


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I'm having a strong reaction to your description of a mother who loves her children even when they do something wrong as 'not rational'. But let me move on from that. :-)

You "can totally understand how they are so engrossed in their lives work that what they see on the screen is not what they envisioned and so dont think it captures the fullness and beauty of their work."

You think they don't like the films (or might not like them) because they are too close as if being 'too close' is a malady that could and maybe should get cured. Just by putting 'too' on it you have pushed it into an 'extreme' condition.

I don't think that being close is a malady and I don't think it needs to be cured. There is not only room for all schools of thought there is, I contend, a NEED for many schools of thought on issues like this. The different schools help keep things in balance and sometimes, what we need is a cold, calculating assessment of the issue (like Sam being dead certain that Gollum was a Stinker up to no good) and sometimes what we need is a more emotional assessment (like Frodo showing Pity to Smeagol because he could empathize with the creature).

But I think it's a mistake to even say that 'they don't get the beauty because they're too close'. How does that excuse hold up for the thousands if not millions of other people who don't like these movies? There could easily be many reasons that Christopher doesn't like the movies other than he's 'too close'. He certainly isn't be the only one who didn't. Dang, some people who 'like' the films don't always 'like' them. (glances at self in mirror)

I think that Christopher and JRR (we can suppose) are perfectly entitled to not like the films for whatever reason they like. We don't have to make excuses for them and I certainly don't think we have to value Simon's reaction over Christopher in any way, shape, or form.

When we try to qualify using words as 'reasoned' or 'rational', I think we're treading on dangerous ground. There is, imo, no need at all to do that.

We can accept Christopher's viewpoints and respect them as his... without judgment.

But this is kind of what mothers do with their children. We accept them. We don't withdraw that acceptance, affection, or love when they don't think like us or follow the paths we have chosen or make the decisions we would have made.

My dear imin... don't get caught up in seeing this sort of acceptance as negating rational thought. It doesn't.

:-)


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Subject User Time
Simon Tolkien comments on the film adaptations on BBC radio.... dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Nov 22 2012, 1:09pm
    doesn't he rather say... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 22 2012, 2:07pm
        Yes, sorry dormouse Send a private message to dormouse Nov 22 2012, 2:44pm
            No problem... Elthir Send a private message to Elthir Nov 23 2012, 1:06am
    He likes the one i like the best :) imin Send a private message to imin Nov 22 2012, 3:34pm
        to be fair... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 22 2012, 4:10pm
            fair minded sit with you better? imin Send a private message to imin Nov 22 2012, 4:31pm
                third attempt Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 22 2012, 5:35pm
                    hmm not sure how to respond to this, lol imin Send a private message to imin Nov 22 2012, 5:52pm
                        It's possible there is a cultural context to terms like 'irrationality' ... Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 22 2012, 6:17pm
                            oh sorry i didnt mean it that way at all imin Send a private message to imin Nov 22 2012, 6:27pm
                                you got the point I was trying to make! Magpie Send a private message to Magpie Nov 22 2012, 6:53pm
                                    I finally got there in the end, haha! imin Send a private message to imin Nov 22 2012, 8:12pm
    wow i have totally derailed this thread! Sorry! // imin Send a private message to imin Nov 22 2012, 6:29pm
    Thank you! // sador Send a private message to sador Nov 22 2012, 6:41pm
    I was interested in the question Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Nov 23 2012, 1:40am
        Validity by degrees ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 23 2012, 10:37am
            Sword straightness Noel Q. von Schneiffel Send a private message to Noel Q. von Schneiffel Nov 23 2012, 3:19pm
            fair enough Elenorflower Send a private message to Elenorflower Nov 23 2012, 5:24pm
                I don't understand how your imagination can be at fault? ElendilTheShort Send a private message to ElendilTheShort Nov 23 2012, 10:37pm

 
 
 

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