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imin
Valinor


Nov 21 2012, 8:50pm

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Keep it ;) // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 9:00pm

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Boys will be boys eh? [In reply to] Can't Post

Keep it, its quite a beautifull avatar.

You will never be mistaken for a dark hearted purist TongueWink


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 9:01pm

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At least these never saw the light of day: [In reply to] Can't Post

Dissaproved by PJ, replaced by the Chase Dress

Early concept for Dream Dress.

And another one.

Can see why the original Dream Dress concepts didn't get the PJ Star, but the original Chase Dress is IMHO prettier, somehow more Elvish.

There must have been many more, for all the dresses seen and unseen in the final film.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 9:06pm

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That [In reply to] Can't Post

dream dress, reminds me of a gown a certain character in a song of ice and fire wears and make me sorry the GOT team didnt stick to the books when it comes to Daenerys Targaryen's dresses Cool


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 21 2012, 9:14pm

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He looks great! / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 21 2012, 9:14pm

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Stunning [In reply to] Can't Post

Especially that first one! I wonder why it was rejected. I think her chase dress turned out lovely, though. But the purple and maroon (or is it brown?) look lovely as well.

The early dream dress looks like it would have been lovely. As would the third one.

What I'd love to see are better screen shots of all Arwen's dresses that made it to film, but not into the films.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 9:21pm

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Ehhh...they were never going to get away with a PG-13 rating had they used that first "dream dress" [In reply to] Can't Post

Really like the first outfit, however, though it is a bit overly busy.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 21 2012, 9:33pm

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He didn't say that [In reply to] Can't Post

It was his short fake beard that wasn't working. They got rid of it after block 1 filming, once RA had grown his out.

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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 9:38pm

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Are you familiar with these? [In reply to] Can't Post

Very-Faery has in her Arwen section pretty good write-ups and pictures of the White Weta Dress and the Cranberry Dress, of both of which we've only seen a glimpse of a shoulder on film.

Costumer's Guide has some pictures of the Rose Dress, Arch Dress and Lavender Beaded.

By the way, what's up with her Battle Dress? It looks highly unpragtical.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 21 2012, 9:51pm

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White Weta Dress [In reply to] Can't Post

It's lovely. And if it's actually for the scene of Aragorn and Arwen's first meeting, I'm even more anxious to see it someday.

I think I've seen most of these dresses before. But they're all very good. Ngila was a very skilled costume artist.

I have more to say, but I'll have to say it later. I'm in a hurry right now.

Oh, and yeah that battle dress would have been her undoing!

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 21 2012, 11:11pm

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Some more thoughts [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the Lavender Beaded dress is very nice. And how awesome is it to see a picture of Cate and Liv together? They're both gorgeous women, and their elven costumes only enhance their beauty. For some reason, that picture also reminds me of Melian and Galadriel in The Silmarillion, only they'd be reversed, with Galadriel sitting and Melian standing (being the older and wiser of the two).

I wonder what the cranberry dress was for. It's actually very similar to the 'dying' dress. I wonder if it was an earlier concept of it.

The picture of Elrond and Arwen standing beneath the arch is very lovely. I wonder what they're talking about.

I hope many of these scenes eventually make it to some sort of DVD/Blu-ray set as deleted scenes.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 11:22pm

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You are correct sir! [In reply to] Can't Post


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It was his short fake beard that wasn't working. They got rid of it after block 1 filming, once RA had grown his out.


My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Nov 21 2012, 11:23pm)


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 11:30pm

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The Cranberry Dress was briefly seen in TTT [In reply to] Can't Post

When Arwen kisses Aragorn back to life after his forced bath, you can see tiny glimpse of red and silver around her shoulder. It was Liv's favourite dress... Speak about waste! No wonder Ngila was sometimes desperate.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 22 2012, 12:40am

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One day [In reply to] Can't Post

I hope they show us that scene with Galadriel and Arwen in Rivendell, I would love to see it. Not too keen on the colour of the Arch Dress, but thats another scene I have only seen in photos and would like to be shown on film. wow so many cut scenes with Liv in her lovely dresses. Unsure


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Nov 22 2012, 1:15am

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It's a shame [In reply to] Can't Post

we didn't see the dawn and the twilight, Galadriel and Arwen together on screen.


Finrod
Rohan


Nov 22 2012, 2:31am

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The three elven stars: morning, noon, and evening [In reply to] Can't Post


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we didn't see the dawn and the twilight, Galadriel and Arwen together on screen.


No, Galadriel was never the dawn. I have here written of this before, saying that:
As Arwen Undómiel was the evenstar of her people and Lúthien their morning star, Galadriel was their daystar, fierce and bright as the noontide sun.
Rather, it was not Arwen but Lúthien Tinúviel who was her people’s morning star, as was Arwen their evening one.
In Beleriand in those days the Elves walked, and the rivers flowed, and the stars shone, and the night-flowers gave forth their scents; and the beauty of Melian was as the noon, and the beauty of Lúthien was as the dawn in spring.
Galadriel, though, was the daystar of her people’s noontide, the star that at its zenith blazes brightest of all. Of course she should be brightest, for she alone of the three had seen the untarnished light of the Trees.
A sister they had, Galadriel, most beautiful of all the house of Finwë; her hair was lit with gold as though it had caught in a mesh the radiance of Laurelin.
Galadriel’s light was the light of the full bliss of the elves. That is why Sam said to Frodo:
He turned and saw that Sam was now standing beside him, looking round with a puzzled expression, and rubbing his eyes as if he was not sure that he was awake. ‘It’s sunlight and bright day, right enough,’ he said. ‘I thought that Elves were all for moon and stars: but this is more elvish than anything I ever heard tell of. I feel as if I was inside a song. if you take my meaning.’
Sunlight and bright day, more elvish than anything else. It was that bright day of elves from before the rising of the sun that Sam beheld like a living dream there in Lórien in a vision vouchsafed him by the power of the Lady who dwelt there, held in her memory of that time before time. Galadriel is her people’s daystar.

It is nonetheless said that Lúthien beheld that perfect light in which Galadriel was born reflected in her divine mother’s face. Certainly it graced her own when she wore the Silmaril. Her light is the beakon of hope, unreachably high.

The light of Arwen the Evenstar was like unto neither of the others, but was made beautiful by its fading, and by its rarity.
So it was that Frodo saw her whom few mortals had yet seen; Arwen, daughter of Elrond, in whom it was said that the likeness of Lúthien had come on earth again; and she was called Undómiel, for she was the Evenstar of her people.
And right this was, for Arwen dwelt in the house upon which the stars of heaven shone most brightly:
Therefore ere the Third Age was ended the Elves perceived that the Ring of Sapphire was with Elrond, in the fair valley of Rivendell, upon whose house the stars of heaven most brightly shone; whereas the Ring of Adamant was in the Land of Lórien where dwelt the Lady Galadriel.


…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Silverlode
Forum Admin / Moderator


Nov 22 2012, 2:35am

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Lovely post. [In reply to] Can't Post

And well said. Thanks for that. Smile

Silverlode






Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 22 2012, 3:05am

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It was that one? [In reply to] Can't Post

We barely got to see any of it. That's annoying.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 22 2012, 3:10am

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I want to see them all as well [In reply to] Can't Post

There seems to be a wealth of deleted scenes left. I very much want to see them all, especially all the ones with the lovely Liv.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


ElendilTheShort
Gondor


Nov 22 2012, 5:03am

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My quote was a poor reference to the disucssion between Gimli & Eomer about the two women [In reply to] Can't Post

...however since you bring up the correction, I would disagree. The sun represented the waning of the elves and the ascension of men. The comparisms of quality between Galadriel and the sun are less accurate than those of her and the trees of Valinor. The sun (and moon) were a less hallowed version of the light, subject to corruption by Melkor/Morgoth, created from the tree after their poisoning if we are going down the path of the Silmarillion myth as edited by CT. The light of the trees reflected the full splendor of the Undying Lands in the noon tide of it's bliss, not the sun and moon. Sunlight and bright day are the musings of a rustic hobbit. Any truth in the matter would compare her to the trees, and she is only compared to the sun in the story by those who know no better.


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 22 2012, 12:38pm

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beautiful post Finrod, [In reply to] Can't Post

thanks, it was a pleasure to read. Evil


narflet
Bree


Nov 22 2012, 5:12pm

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Harper Design is US publisher imprint; HarperCollins is UK publisher [In reply to] Can't Post

They'll be exactly the same (except for publishers info), but you'll pay more to have the US edition in the UK and visa versa.


(This post was edited by narflet on Nov 22 2012, 5:17pm)


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 22 2012, 5:26pm

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Thanks for clearing that up! [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Nov 22 2012, 5:55pm

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But as I said previously... [In reply to] Can't Post

 ...the number of pages is substantially different - 208 compared to 272! That's more than just publisher's info... Something to do with the change from 2 to 3 films, perhaps?


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
Ż Victoria Monfort






Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 22 2012, 7:38pm

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The US publisher page has probably not been updated [In reply to] Can't Post

Though Amazon also lists two books; one at 272 pages and one at 208 Unsure

Though as you said, 272 might have been before the trilogy announcement.

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