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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 3:53pm

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Is this long bearded Thorin pic old news? Can't Post

Am I just really out of the loop?

I am?

Okay.



(Originally posted by thehobbitdiaries in Tumblr.)

The long beard looks fine, btw. But if Richard felt it hindered his performance, he must have know what he was doing.


(Resized photo attached - Ataahua.)

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied

(This post was edited by Ataahua on Nov 21 2012, 6:24pm)
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Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 21 2012, 3:54pm

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Wow! [In reply to] Can't Post

Is this from Weta's upcoming art book?


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 3:58pm

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Looks like [In reply to] Can't Post

What little you can see of the other page looks like in the Art of the Lord of the Rings series. (Which are awesome.)

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


jimmyfenn
Rohan


Nov 21 2012, 4:01pm

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wow [In reply to] Can't Post

i really really like that version of thorin, looks so much more regal!

i wish they had kept it, good find :)

for quickbeam often laughed, he laughed if the sun came out from behind a cloud, he laughed if they came upon a stream or spring:


imin
Valinor


Nov 21 2012, 4:03pm

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Argh he looks so much better with a long beard [In reply to] Can't Post

Wish he had kept it. More regal and dwarf-like i think.

Ah well, hair rock/glam rock Thorin is ok to i guess - love his costume.


Estel78
Tol Eressea

Nov 21 2012, 4:04pm

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I really like him in the pic on the right. [In reply to] Can't Post

Too bad they decided against it.


Elessar
Valinor


Nov 21 2012, 4:04pm

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Appears so [In reply to] Can't Post

Really looking forward to this book..



grinman
Rivendell


Nov 21 2012, 4:10pm

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uhm... yeah! [In reply to] Can't Post

I love that pic of Thorin on the right. THAT'S the Thorin I want!! Well, I have an action figure of Thorin... maybe I can sculpt a longer beard and moustache to match the look of that pic. Love it!

I'm not terribly unsatisfied with the Thorin we'll be getting in the films.. i just wish he had a longer beard.


Kassandros
Rohan


Nov 21 2012, 4:17pm

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Wow. [In reply to] Can't Post

At least it seems they at first tried to match Tolkien's descriptions.

I'm guessing the long beard was removed because Richard Armitage wanted to use his own beard for acting purposes?

all we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us...


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Nov 21 2012, 4:31pm

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Wow ...great spot! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin looks far more regal in these designs - I wonder if they were design ideas for the younger Thorin we've seen in V-log 8 (in what looks to be defending Erebor)?

!'ve got the Weta Chronicles on pre-order as well - looks like it's going to be amamzing!


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 21 2012, 4:33pm

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Did you order it from the Book Depository? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm just asking because I see they have two different (?) versions listed and I'm confused as to which I should pre-order Unsure


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Nov 21 2012, 4:37pm

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Yes I did... [In reply to] Can't Post

The hardback at £18.98 - what other one are they listing?


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¯ Victoria Monfort






Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 21 2012, 4:41pm

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There's these two: [In reply to] Can't Post

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/...rkshop/9780062200907

http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/...rkshop/9780007487332


sador
Half-elven


Nov 21 2012, 4:43pm

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Interesting! [In reply to] Can't Post

As is your new avatar, by the way.

"As all things come to an end, even this story..."

Here we read of Bilbo, who is “quiet and drowsy”, that “every now and again he would open one eye” and listen to Gandalf’s tale. Is Tolkien deliberately echoing this passage in LOTR when he writes, “At that Bilbo opened an eye, almost as if he had heard … ‘You see, I am getting so sleepy’, he said.”?
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Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 4:44pm

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I'm having an identity crisis because of it.// [In reply to] Can't Post

 

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 4:56pm

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I wonder if we will see different looks for Thorin throughout the movies? [In reply to] Can't Post

If PJ is including backstory that shows Smaug SPOILERS destroying Dale and Erebor I wonder if Thorin will look this way. (More regal and royal.)

To me, that would be very effective. To see him in his prince like state looking magestic, to where we see him in Hobbiton... more worn down and wild.

Just a thought.

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


ShireHorse
Rohan

Nov 21 2012, 4:57pm

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Sorry, you guys, but [In reply to] Can't Post

before you get too excited, I believe that it's a manip. But I must admit that the person who did it has been very clever and, even though I like RA's current beard, I also like the one on the right.

This seems to be the favourite with others too - and it is the current beard with a plaited bit stuck onto it. Is that why we all like it because it's so reminiscent of what we've already got - quite neat and tidy and not long, flowing and bushy?

However, if RA had tried this in real life, I can imagine that, when he spoke, it would wiggle up and down in quite a silly way. And perhaps that's why he finished up with his own short beard.


thoon
Bree


Nov 21 2012, 5:07pm

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Good point, and I agree! Torn beard even? [In reply to] Can't Post

I wonder if PJ is going for that, giving him a more haggard and worn look at the beginning of the story. Aragorn saw a similar transformation, after all.

His shorter beard also makes me wonder if we'll see some beard tearing. Witnessing the genocide of ones people and the ruination of ones home has to have been devastating. Perhaps Thorin tore his beard in anguish, as Tolkien dwarves have been known to do, after fleeing into exile. It might be a stretch, but perhaps he chooses to keep it short as a visual representation of his loss. A dwarf without a beard is akin to a dwarf without a home/throne.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 5:18pm

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This has been speculated before [In reply to] Can't Post

and is a good theory. To the point some have confused the "Dwarves cut their beard short when in mourning" fanon for canon.

But perhaps it is the route they've taken. It would explain why all the Dwarves of this particular family are short bearded - their close family members have died, and they've all cut their beards. Because Kili is so young, and movie!Dwarves grow beards slower when they're young (fanon, fanon!), he's still behind Thorin and Fili in the business of growing it back.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Owain
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 5:20pm

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I tend to think that may be right. [In reply to] Can't Post

We will know soon enough.

Thanks for sharing the wonderful pictures.

Smile

Middle Earth is New Zealand!

"Question everything, embrace the bad, and hold on to the good."


Macfeast
Rohan


Nov 21 2012, 5:23pm

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Alas, what could have been. [In reply to] Can't Post

Those are some excellent designs; I particularly like the one in the upper left. I hope the decision not to go with a long beard was ultimately Armitage's decision, out of concern that it would hinder his performance (which I ultimately agree is the most important, if performance and character design can't be woven together).


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Nov 21 2012, 5:25pm

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Well...that's bizarre! [In reply to] Can't Post

The one my order summary links me to is the one currently unavailable!! Unimpressed Hope it only means that it's sold out through pre-orders!

They look the same apart from the number of pages - 208 vs 272. Do you think the longer book has stuff from film 2 in it, then?


"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 5:26pm

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Let's count [In reply to] Can't Post

Erebor!Thorin: If the recent thread is right in its deductions, this Thorin should be a teenager, or perhaps a very young adult. So not a very long beard yet? Fancy costume, though.

Azalnubizar!Thorin: Earning his epithet! Older, so could be sprouting a really handsome beard?

AUJ!Thorin: The one we know. (Has shorter beard for reason x?)

Dos!Thorin and BO5A!Thorin: Two more costume changes for Thorin in DoS and TABA, if I remember right what Ann Maskrey said. One in Lake-Town, and one after they've reclaimed Erebor. This should be the awesome armor he's going to wear in BO5A we've heard about.The beard remains the same.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 5:28pm

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Didn't he say that much in one of the interviews? [In reply to] Can't Post

They initially tried longer beard, but RA wanted rid of it because he felt it was in the way of his acting?

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Macfeast
Rohan


Nov 21 2012, 5:31pm

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Oh yeah, he did. So much new stuff these days, that some things just float right past me. // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


(This post was edited by Macfeast on Nov 21 2012, 5:32pm)

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