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Timeline and dwarf age alterations *Spoilers* from the Visual Companion

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Nov 20 2012, 10:03pm


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The Visual Companion by Jude Fisher revealed several spoilers, such as where Thrain disappeared to. This was discussed already in this thread. But I wanted to add a bit more about the changes made to the ages of the dwarves, and/or the moving around of events on the timeline.




Balin:
“Balin the most venerable dwarf of the Company, rumored to be 178 years of age at the beginning of the quest....Balin was there at the Front Gate of the Lonely Mountain with King Thrain and the young prince Thorin when Smaug descended in flame and fire, and he saw the town of Dale destroyed. He also accompanied Thrain on the doomed expedition to regain the kingdom of Khazad-dum, when his king was captured by Goblins and lost to his people.
Since then, Balin has been like a father to Thorin Oakenshield, and is the one Thorin turns to first for advice and support in times of doubt. And as the elder statesman of the group, he often acts as the second in command and drafter of official contracts.”


So at least here, Balin is the same age as in the Appendices. They also state that Oin is 167, and under the section about Gloin, that Gimli is 62 (and too young for the journey). They don't give an age on Dwalin, but he is older than Thorin.


Dwalin:
“Younger brother to Balin and another of the senior members of the Company is Dwalin. He and Thorin Oakenshield grew up as childhood friends, though he is some years older than the king-in-waiting. Together they have shared the bitter travails of exile, and plenty of hard action, having fought their way through innumerable Goblins and Orcs. Through it all, he remains Thorin's staunchest supporter and maintains an unshakeable belief in his friend's leadership.”


So Thorin is just as young as he looks, completely destroying my previous arguments about Durin's heir being older but looking younger due to good genes. Ah well.


With all of this in mind, I'm beginning to think that clip from vlog 8 of the younger Thorin leading an army up the steps of a place that looks like the set of Erebor, probably really is the Front Gate of Erebor at the coming of the dragon, as opposed to the Front Gate of Moria (which they are also supposed to have a go at). I've been assuming that “young prince” meant what it would have in the book, that Thorin was just a kid and too young to fight during Smaug's coming. But if we take the bit of information from the Hobbit app on the other thread (which has been moved to here) as film accurate, the dwarves have been waiting only 60 years for a chance to get back Erebor. (Wow. Where did that 100 extra years go?) So Thorin could still have been young for a dwarf (like Gimli at 62!) but not by our standards.


Of course this shortened timeline affects the people of Dale and Laketown most since it is within a human lifetime that they lost everything.


Oh, ShireHorse, if you are reading this. You were right. Wink I'm pretty sure you suggested all of this to me at some point, but I didn't want to accept it.

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Timeline and dwarf age alterations *Spoilers* from the Visual Companion DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Nov 20 2012, 10:03pm
    Looks like it Antalasse Send a private message to Antalasse Nov 20 2012, 10:17pm
        PJ seems to have a thing about 60 years... Eleniel Send a private message to Eleniel Nov 20 2012, 10:34pm
    This 'expedition to reclaim Khazad Dum'... Shagrat Send a private message to Shagrat Nov 20 2012, 10:18pm
        I think Thror... DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Nov 20 2012, 10:44pm
    Wondering about Bard. Macfeast Send a private message to Macfeast Nov 20 2012, 10:27pm
        It just occured to me Antalasse Send a private message to Antalasse Nov 20 2012, 10:32pm
        I would say that might be the very reason for the change, yes DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Nov 20 2012, 10:47pm
        Yep, that maketh sense... father or gramps... ... way too close for my liking.. Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Nov 21 2012, 2:55am
            Bard DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Nov 21 2012, 3:19am
            Reasons for doing that: Fardragon Send a private message to Fardragon Nov 21 2012, 10:09am
    Here I am, DJ! ShireHorse Send a private message to ShireHorse Nov 20 2012, 10:30pm
        I only minded DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Nov 20 2012, 11:09pm
    Let the film speak for it's self Welsh hero Send a private message to Welsh hero Nov 20 2012, 10:39pm
        What would be the fun of that?? // DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Nov 20 2012, 10:45pm
            +1 to comment /// Demosthenes Send a private message to Demosthenes Nov 20 2012, 11:50pm
    I'm glad to have this new timeline explained to me iduna Send a private message to iduna Nov 20 2012, 10:57pm
    Your topics are always worth clicking Faenoriel Send a private message to Faenoriel Nov 20 2012, 11:01pm
    I find these age changes strange, but will give PJ a chance. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 20 2012, 11:20pm
        Frodo was *not* much younger in the film! Finrod Send a private message to Finrod Nov 21 2012, 3:12am
            Wow. You're right. Kassandros Send a private message to Kassandros Nov 21 2012, 3:29pm
    timeline compression Demosthenes Send a private message to Demosthenes Nov 20 2012, 11:49pm
    This is going to work really well for the films sycorax82 Send a private message to sycorax82 Nov 21 2012, 1:51am
    Either the Companion or the guide says Thorin is over 150 years old, AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 21 2012, 2:44am
        I thought I read that somewhere DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Nov 21 2012, 3:17am
    Oh man oh man... these are --huge-- timeline changes!! Xanaseb Send a private message to Xanaseb Nov 21 2012, 2:52am
        Yes I'm not very enthusiastic either... What about Smaug's age now ? Fàfnir Send a private message to Fàfnir Nov 21 2012, 9:52am
    Thrór has been dethroned Finrod Send a private message to Finrod Nov 21 2012, 3:17am
        Yeah noticed that too. DarkJackal Send a private message to DarkJackal Nov 21 2012, 3:21am
    Assuming the dragon arrived in some of the Men of Laketown's lives DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 21 2012, 8:06am
    Wasn't "The dragon hasn't been seen for 60 years" a line Fàfnir Send a private message to Fàfnir Nov 21 2012, 9:14am
        I posted this DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 21 2012, 9:19am
            True, but combined with Dark Jackal discovery, this line takes another sense Fàfnir Send a private message to Fàfnir Nov 21 2012, 9:25am
                In either case DanielLB Send a private message to DanielLB Nov 21 2012, 9:56am
        The real problem is, with Thornin's new age, if the old timeline were at all adhered to AinurOlorin Send a private message to AinurOlorin Nov 21 2012, 9:28pm

 
 
 

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