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DarkJackal
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Nov 20 2012, 10:03pm
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Timeline and dwarf age alterations *Spoilers* from the Visual Companion
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The Visual Companion by Jude Fisher revealed several spoilers, such as where Thrain disappeared to. This was discussed already in this thread. But I wanted to add a bit more about the changes made to the ages of the dwarves, and/or the moving around of events on the timeline.
Balin:
“Balin the most venerable dwarf of the Company, rumored to be 178 years of age at the beginning of the quest....Balin was there at the Front Gate of the Lonely Mountain with King Thrain and the young prince Thorin when Smaug descended in flame and fire, and he saw the town of Dale destroyed. He also accompanied Thrain on the doomed expedition to regain the kingdom of Khazad-dum, when his king was captured by Goblins and lost to his people.
Since then, Balin has been like a father to Thorin Oakenshield, and is the one Thorin turns to first for advice and support in times of doubt. And as the elder statesman of the group, he often acts as the second in command and drafter of official contracts.”
So at least here, Balin is the same age as in the Appendices. They also state that Oin is 167, and under the section about Gloin, that Gimli is 62 (and too young for the journey). They don't give an age on Dwalin, but he is older than Thorin.
Dwalin:
“Younger brother to Balin and another of the senior members of the Company is Dwalin. He and Thorin Oakenshield grew up as childhood friends, though he is some years older than the king-in-waiting. Together they have shared the bitter travails of exile, and plenty of hard action, having fought their way through innumerable Goblins and Orcs. Through it all, he remains Thorin's staunchest supporter and maintains an unshakeable belief in his friend's leadership.”
So Thorin is just as young as he looks, completely destroying my previous arguments about Durin's heir being older but looking younger due to good genes. Ah well.
With all of this in mind, I'm beginning to think that clip from vlog 8 of the younger Thorin leading an army up the steps of a place that looks like the set of Erebor, probably really is the Front Gate of Erebor at the coming of the dragon, as opposed to the Front Gate of Moria (which they are also supposed to have a go at). I've been assuming that “young prince” meant what it would have in the book, that Thorin was just a kid and too young to fight during Smaug's coming. But if we take the bit of information from the Hobbit app on the other thread (which has been moved to here) as film accurate, the dwarves have been waiting only 60 years for a chance to get back Erebor. (Wow. Where did that 100 extra years go?) So Thorin could still have been young for a dwarf (like Gimli at 62!) but not by our standards.
Of course this shortened timeline affects the people of Dale and Laketown most since it is within a human lifetime that they lost everything.
Oh, ShireHorse, if you are reading this. You were right.  I'm pretty sure you suggested all of this to me at some point, but I didn't want to accept it.
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Timeline and dwarf age alterations *Spoilers* from the Visual Companion
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DarkJackal
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Nov 20 2012, 10:03pm
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Looks like it
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Antalasse
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Nov 20 2012, 10:17pm
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PJ seems to have a thing about 60 years...
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Eleniel
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Nov 20 2012, 10:34pm
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This 'expedition to reclaim Khazad Dum'...
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Shagrat
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Nov 20 2012, 10:18pm
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I think Thror...
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DarkJackal
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Nov 20 2012, 10:44pm
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Wondering about Bard.
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Macfeast
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Nov 20 2012, 10:27pm
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It just occured to me
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Antalasse
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Nov 20 2012, 10:32pm
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I would say that might be the very reason for the change, yes
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DarkJackal
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Nov 20 2012, 10:47pm
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Yep, that maketh sense... father or gramps... ... way too close for my liking..
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Xanaseb
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Nov 21 2012, 2:55am
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Bard
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DarkJackal
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Nov 21 2012, 3:19am
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Reasons for doing that:
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Fardragon
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Nov 21 2012, 10:09am
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Here I am, DJ!
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ShireHorse
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Nov 20 2012, 10:30pm
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I only minded
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DarkJackal
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Nov 20 2012, 11:09pm
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Let the film speak for it's self
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Welsh hero
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Nov 20 2012, 10:39pm
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What would be the fun of that?? //
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DarkJackal
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Nov 20 2012, 10:45pm
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+1 to comment ///
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Demosthenes
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Nov 20 2012, 11:50pm
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I'm glad to have this new timeline explained to me
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iduna
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Nov 20 2012, 10:57pm
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Your topics are always worth clicking
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Faenoriel
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Nov 20 2012, 11:01pm
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I find these age changes strange, but will give PJ a chance.
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Kassandros
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Nov 20 2012, 11:20pm
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Frodo was *not* much younger in the film!
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Finrod
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Nov 21 2012, 3:12am
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Wow. You're right.
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Kassandros
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Nov 21 2012, 3:29pm
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timeline compression
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Demosthenes
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Nov 20 2012, 11:49pm
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This is going to work really well for the films
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sycorax82
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Nov 21 2012, 1:51am
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Either the Companion or the guide says Thorin is over 150 years old,
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 21 2012, 2:44am
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I thought I read that somewhere
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DarkJackal
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Nov 21 2012, 3:17am
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Oh man oh man... these are --huge-- timeline changes!!
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Xanaseb
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Nov 21 2012, 2:52am
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Yes I'm not very enthusiastic either... What about Smaug's age now ?
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Fàfnir
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Nov 21 2012, 9:52am
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Thrór has been dethroned
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Finrod
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Nov 21 2012, 3:17am
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Yeah noticed that too.
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DarkJackal
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Nov 21 2012, 3:21am
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Assuming the dragon arrived in some of the Men of Laketown's lives
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DanielLB
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Nov 21 2012, 8:06am
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Wasn't "The dragon hasn't been seen for 60 years" a line
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Fàfnir
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Nov 21 2012, 9:14am
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I posted this
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DanielLB
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Nov 21 2012, 9:19am
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True, but combined with Dark Jackal discovery, this line takes another sense
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Fàfnir
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Nov 21 2012, 9:25am
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In either case
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DanielLB
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Nov 21 2012, 9:56am
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The real problem is, with Thornin's new age, if the old timeline were at all adhered to
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AinurOlorin
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Nov 21 2012, 9:28pm
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