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Gollum's Ring / Smaug's Eyes ?SPOILERS?

esheming
Bree

Nov 20 2012, 4:13am

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Gollum's Ring / Smaug's Eyes ?SPOILERS? Can't Post

One of the most recent TV spots shows Gollum menacingly slithering over the fresh corpse of a Goblin as Bilbo hides nearby...also, Bilbo is seen showing exasperation as Goblins file past him, inexplicably unnoticed...in both of these scenes, has Bilbo found the Ring yet?...or is he naturally evading notice, an attribute of Hobbits known by Gandalf, and perhaps the main reason that he thinks of Bilbo in regards to the Quest of Erebor?
Because of the former-mentioned shot, I feel there is a strong chance that we will get to see a portrayal of Gollum as Ring-bearer when he is introduced in this film, wielding it's power if only in a simple manner (Gollum 's aspirations are merely for survival and evasion). Perhaps Gollum will kill (for food?) a Goblin who is tracking or even confronting Bilbo BEFORE the Ring itself will CHOOSE to 'be lost' by Gollum? Will we see the Ring make the choice to be found by Bilbo? If Bilbo is to already have the natural Hobbity ability to be unnoticed, how will the Ring help him? Perhaps having it will give Bilbo confidence that he lacks, but then later Sauron's evil may begin to have another influence...?
As per Sauron, he will probably not manifest as an Eye in this film, he will be the Necromancer, but what form will the Necromancer take? These Hobbit films must ultimately show why Sauron can only manifest as a searching reptilian Eye. Most of us here have read Benedict Cumberbatch's quote about Smaug opening his eye at the end of the first film (and of course none of know if his statement was literal, or how well informed it was)... but it does beg the question, have the film-makers attempted to create a connection between their portrayal of a reptilian Eye of Sauron and Smaug's eyes?
They've shown us quite a lot in the trailers and TV spots, but I have a feeling that we have a few surprises in store for us...


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 20 2012, 4:33am

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Honestly Slow down..Bomby counted [In reply to] Can't Post

Eleven Question marks?
Maybe you might write
less in Stream-of-consencinse

And maybe?
in bullet points or a List.

Where to begin..?
Bomby will let others Descide
how to answer this......


esheming
Bree

Nov 20 2012, 4:55am

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Hey dery-dingle [In reply to] Can't Post

My head is bowed in shame
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for Bombadil has humbled me
...
...did you count the ...??... in the subject line...?
yes you did...
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Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 20 2012, 5:02am

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Forgiven..now ask Question One. [In reply to] Can't Post

Then post Q2?
Then 3
Then 4..etc..
Make it a Riddle?
Allow yourself&us
Some Room to contenplate over our Book.

"This poster shows Promise!"
HIRE him for duration of our 3 year Adventure!
Xoxoxoxo Bomby


esheming
Bree

Nov 20 2012, 5:13am

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Q1 [In reply to] Can't Post

Then I ask, Bomby,
what do You see?
Will Sorawn and Smorg
see Eye tp Eye?


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 20 2012, 5:24am

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Neither..Smaug nor Necromancer had a Clue.. [In reply to] Can't Post

Misty Mountains Blocks
All-seeing. EYES.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 20 2012, 8:04am

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This would add even more coincidence to the very coincidental nature of Bilbo finding the Ring [In reply to] Can't Post

It could work, and it might not work. We don't know how long the Ring was lost from Gollum. I imagine it wasn't any long period of time, otherwise Gollum would have realised sooner.

Bilbo finding the Ring is one massive "coincidence". Gollum loosing it, and then Bilbo finding it all in the same scene could work.

But then again, do we need to see it being lost this way? It doesn't add anything to the plot, does it? And we already saw the Ring being "lost" during the FOTR prologue.

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Seaber
Rivendell

Nov 20 2012, 11:09am

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He had it 'only a few hours' before meeting Bilbo [In reply to] Can't Post

And caught the goblin-imp with it.


Lissuin
Tol Eressea


Nov 20 2012, 11:11am

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I really like this "ring leaves Gollum/chooses Bilbo" scene. [In reply to] Can't Post


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I feel there is a strong chance that we will get to see a portrayal of Gollum as Ring-bearer when he is introduced in this film, wielding it's power if only in a simple manner........BEFORE the Ring itself will CHOOSE to 'be lost' by Gollum? Will we see the Ring make the choice to be found by Bilbo?


I hadn't thought of the opportunity to show all the ring bearers - Sauron, Isildur, Gollum, Bilbo, Frodo, Sam - wearing it. Clever!

And of course, as Daniel says, it would need to be a brief time between losing it and Gollum realizing it's gone. The ring wouldn't have had many other likely candidates before Bilbo, and no coincidences necessary: It knew the time was right and acted. It could just appear to be a tricksy magical thing without any sense of evil as yet. They could work in the FOTR prologue "ring-clangs-down-rocks", too, close enough to Bilbo's path that he hears it and turns to look. Yes, it works.

That's all from me for now. I think Bomby is right about S and S - the eyes don't have it.Wink


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 20 2012, 11:44am

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Time to re-read the book! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks Seaber.

There we are then. Seems reasonable for him to loose it during killing a Goblin now.

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