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SCOD: "You have no power here, Gandalf the Grey"

Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Nov 19 2012, 8:29pm

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Here we see Gandalf unveiling his true power as the White Wizard for the first time. A very iconic scene in both the book and the film versions, though both very different.

So, here's a few questions for you to have a go at:

1. In the books Gandalf the White seems to wear his grey mantle frequently (like in the Rankin/Bass version of RotK), only removing at times of great need. In the films however Gandalf permanently abandons the grey robe after this scene. Do you approve of this decision? would you have liked to have seen more displays of power from Gandalf or do you enjoy the existing ones more because of their lack of frequency?

2. What did you think of the Gandalf/Saruman duel in this scene? Did you approve of PJ's unusually subtle approach, or would you have preferred to have seen a much more direct approach? Would you have rather had no duel in the first place?

3. PJ has stated that he does not always like dealing with wizards in films, due to the often cheesy nature of the special effects used for their magic (though he had Saruman shoot fireball from his staff in the RotK EE). To that end, do you think that PJ made Gandalf appear too weak, or was this necessary in order to adhere to his true purpose (i.e. inspiring the Free Peoples to resist Sauron through guidance as oppose to using overt displays of power).

4. Any other thoughts/comments?

"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.


FlyingSerkis
Rivendell

Nov 19 2012, 8:58pm

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1. In the books Gandalf the White seems to wear his grey mantle frequently (like in the Rankin/Bass version of RotK), only removing at times of great need. In the films however Gandalf permanently abandons the grey robe after this scene. Do you approve of this decision? would you have liked to have seen more displays of power from Gandalf or do you enjoy the existing ones more because of their lack of frequency?

I don't have any particular opinion about Gandalf wearing white all the time... maybe it's not quite so, I don't know, modest, but I can understand the film-makers' decision that the casual film-goer ought to be reminded that this is indeed Gandalf the White Who Wears a White Cloak. I think he shows quite enough power (except that EE Witch King scene in ROTK but we'll gloss over that as I don't really consider it to be part of the films Tongue)

2. What did you think of the Gandalf/Saruman duel in this scene? Did you approve of PJ's unusually subtle approach, or would you have preferred to have seen a much more direct approach? Would you have rather had no duel in the first place?

Erm, I don't see what's so subtle about it... Crazy I like the duel - how could it be more direct? We wouldn't want Theoden King thrown about his Golden Hall or nuffink Tongue

I'm not hugely familiar with the book version of The Two Towers, but one image that has stuck with me is, I believe, of Gandalf opening a skylight? I thought that was pretty excellent, tbh, and at one stage after I had gone a long while without seeing the film, I was surprised to watch it and not encounter such a thing Crazy So I would have liked to see that, and I don't think it would have to be instead of the "duel".

3. PJ has stated that he does not always like dealing with wizards in films, due to the often cheesy nature of the special effects used for their magic (though he had Saruman shoot fireball from his staff in the RotK EE). To that end, do you think that PJ made Gandalf appear too weak, or was this necessary in order to adhere to his true purpose (i.e. inspiring the Free Peoples to resist Sauron through guidance as oppose to using overt displays of power).

I think Gandalf showed just enough power without being too much of a "get out of jail free" card or show-off Wink


Radagast-Aiwendil
Gondor


Nov 19 2012, 9:04pm

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When I said subtle I meant in terms of it being a battle of wills [In reply to] Can't Post

But I see your point about the difficulty in making it more direct.

To be honest, Theoden flying round the Golden Hall wouldn't surprise me in a PJ picture!

"Radagast is, of course, a worthy wizard, a master of shapes and changes of hue, and he has much lore of herbs and beasts, and birds are especially his friends."-Gandalf, The Lord of the Rings.


FlyingSerkis
Rivendell

Nov 19 2012, 9:29pm

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Ah, I see [In reply to] Can't Post

but Gandy does still throw Theoden into the back of his chair, as if the sudden braking would make Saruman's spirit burst through the back of his head Tongue


ForestPark
Rivendell


Nov 21 2012, 1:46am

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see a problem as long as it was before Labor Day.


One Ringer
Tol Eressea


Nov 21 2012, 1:20pm

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In terms of completely abandoning the grey, [In reply to] Can't Post

I've never had a problem with it. Story-telling-wise, I think it's easier and avoids the repetition of Gandalf "revealing" himself, though if done right it could've been awesome (think the use of lightspeed in Empire Strikes Back). It also works better visually in terms of Gandalf's objective - he's literally a walking light to guide people without hope. To shroud that would be, I don't know - greedy? Careless? Or just lazy? Tongue

On the topic of light, it's always fun seeing both this scene and Gandalf's first reveal in a dark room. Maybe that's why there's some slight issues with my eyesight, despite being 20/20. Cool

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"You do not let your eyes see nor your ears hear, and that which is outside your daily life is not of account to you. Ah, it is the fault of our science that it wants to explain all; and if it explain not, then it says there is nothing to explain."


ForestPark
Rivendell


Nov 22 2012, 2:09am

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You filth !! [In reply to] Can't Post

How dare you speak of george lucas in the same breath as the Holy One !!!

 
 

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