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Goblintown is going to be amazing
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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 8:56pm

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Goblintown is going to be amazing Can't Post

I noticed that there doesn't seem to be too much excitement about the Goblintown sequence. However, both the harrowingly perfect music for this sequence (both "Under Hill" and "Brass Buttons") and the visuals of the goblins we have seen thus far, lead me to believe that this will be both a very frightening and interesting part of the film. With the Moria goblins, for example, we only saw some orcs who were passing through an empty hall. This time, we are going to see a number of goblins up close as they capture and interrogate the dwarves, and we will be taken to the very heart of their little petty kingdom. The brief shot of the throne room we have seen so far is rich with detail, including haphazard wooden structures, stolen riches, and all sorts of goblin culture goodness.

And just listen to those horns blaring in the "Under Hill" trick. This is going to be great.


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 9:12pm

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post

i agree about the goblin designs and the spectacularity potential that there is in the book and script for the movie...as to the soundtrack, i admit i heard about 3 seconds from brass buttons...i was surprised and a little scared honestly..what on earth were those voices?? Goblins singing?

It felt very promising.

Also, lets not forget Goblin Town and the dark tunnels of the misty mountains are are somewhat horrific...im sure that angle will be played up by the once horror enthusiast, peter jackson.


(This post was edited by Lusitano on Nov 17 2012, 9:13pm)


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Nov 17 2012, 9:16pm

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Has anyone here seen John Howe's concept art for Goblintown? [In reply to] Can't Post

It's pretty amazing!

http://24.media.tumblr.com/...lj1qdbhwwo1_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/...lj1qdbhwwo2_1280.jpg
http://25.media.tumblr.com/...lj1qdbhwwo4_1280.jpg


Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 9:20pm

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those were from [In reply to] Can't Post

that 150 pics page that was online a few days ago arent they?


sharpened_graphite
Rivendell

Nov 17 2012, 9:25pm

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Yeah, probably. [In reply to] Can't Post

I was told they were featured in the visual guide. Here's a few more concept art pieces from the movie (nothing terribly spoilery, all artwork for scenes we've already seen, but very cool nevertheless):

http://24.media.tumblr.com/...lj1qdbhwwo3_1280.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/...lj1qdbhwwo6_1280.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/...lj1qdbhwwo7_1280.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/...lj1qdbhwwo8_1280.jpg

http://25.media.tumblr.com/...lj1qdbhwwo9_1280.jpg


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 9:28pm

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I think I'm less excited about Goblin Town [In reply to] Can't Post

Is because I still think the film should be ending at Mirkwood!Evil

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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 9:28pm

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i love these [In reply to] Can't Post

but when i visite dthe page, it was down. Thank you for presenting us with these!


Lucky Luke
Bree


Nov 17 2012, 9:41pm

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Bridge scene (literally!) [In reply to] Can't Post

Lots of wood and rope bridges in the mines. And it seems that the dwarves crash with one of them - Indiana Jones Temple of Doom style - while fighting the Great Goblin. In the scene where he falls on top of them, it looks like the dwarves are stuck between multiple layers of a wooden bridge. This collapsing would also explain the fall of the Great Goblin. I would not be surprised that this scene will mirror the crashing of the stairs of Moria.


(This post was edited by Lucky Luke on Nov 17 2012, 9:46pm)


Bombadil
Half-elven


Nov 17 2012, 9:45pm

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Bomby is Convinced GoblinTown is the PeakAction [In reply to] Can't Post

Followed Closely then..by Riddles?
Then ..Eagle Rescue...

The audience will.be Drained
worn out
like a wet
leaf...

xoxoxox...Bomby&(Goldberry)


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Nov 17 2012, 9:57pm

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pace [In reply to] Can't Post

After listening to the score and what that means for scenes I think there are only going to be a few brief rests in the story. I think it will move at a much faster clip than Fellowship.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 10:00pm

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I hope not [In reply to] Can't Post

Fellowship moved along far too quickly, IMO.

Also, I think even though the pacing will be brisk, there is less complexity to cover than there was in FOTR. So it should feel far less dumbed down than FOTR was.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 10:08pm

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IMO Fellowship felt "cinematic" [In reply to] Can't Post

A literary pace when transposed to cinema can totally undermine a film, especially a plot-heavy epic or adventure. Unless one's making a character study or intimate drama where there's no to little narrative, aping the pacing of a book generally is counter-productive toward producing the best possible work for screen, where the plot needs to constantly surge forward as was the case in the theatrical cuts for LotR.

My fear is that a less brisk pace with less complexity will result in way too much Dwarf humor and the characters generally lounging about burping (on which I know we're in agreement on not wanting). Wink

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 10:19pm

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It does look Temple of Doomish [In reply to] Can't Post

So would not be surprised to see some slightly similar visuals unfold...however, it's been confirmed that Gandy kills the Goblin King, and he can be seen lying dead on the lower right of frame in the shot of Kili charging at Grinnah the Goblin in the latest TV spot, the vacant throne behind him.

Additionally, according to the official movie guide, Gandy and the Dwarves escape via the plumbing under the Goblin King's potty/throne...so no idea how the dead GK ends up on top of them. Perhaps he's not quite dead yet, flops into the pipe on top of them, and lands on Orcrist? Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 10:21pm

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It doesn't say they escape through the plumbing ... Does it? ... [In reply to] Can't Post

I remember making that joke. I hope it's not *actually* true!Crazy

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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Nov 17 2012, 10:22pm)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 10:22pm

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Disagreed {NT} [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 10:23pm

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You didn't let on you were joking! [In reply to] Can't Post

Great! Now I've gone amok telling people the Dwarves are flushed down the Goblin potty! Laugh

What's unfortunate is that doesn't seem out of the realm of possibility for PJ in the slightest. Tongue

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Nov 17 2012, 10:26pm

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maybe not [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe I am reading the score wrong but it sounded faster paced then Fellowship and of course there have been at least a few articles alluding to a rip-tearing pace.


Eleniel
Grey Havens


Nov 17 2012, 10:27pm

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Don't think I read that either...say it isn't so!! [In reply to] Can't Post


In Reply To

Additionally, according to the official movie guide, Gandy and the Dwarves escape via the plumbing under the Goblin King's potty/throne...so no idea how the dead GK ends up on top of them. Perhaps he's not quite dead yet, flops into the pipe on top of them, and lands on Orcrist? Tongue



"Choosing Trust over Doubt gets me burned once in a while, but I'd rather be singed than hardened."
¯ Victoria Monfort






Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 10:29pm

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It isn't so! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks Daniel, now see what you've gone and made me do. Yes, I've chosen to blame you! EvilAngelicBlushCool

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Carne
Tol Eressea

Nov 17 2012, 10:30pm

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Can't remember reading that in the guide [In reply to] Can't Post

Though regarding him in the latest TV spot: his arm is moving, so me might not be completely dead. Maybe Gandalf pushed him down from his throne or something Smile


(This post was edited by Carne on Nov 17 2012, 10:31pm)


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 10:30pm

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Whoops! [In reply to] Can't Post

Sorry.Tongue

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 10:31pm

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I take full responsibility! [In reply to] Can't Post

Now, I just need PJ to read the thread and edit the scene.Wink

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 17 2012, 10:35pm

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We should start a petition! ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

I've actually read the Movie Guide, but for some reason thought I'd skipped over (or blocked) mention of Dwarf-flushing, so I'll take...7.3347% responsibility. Multiplied by 10. CoolTongue

It's actually too bad we've missed out on "Nobody flushes multiple dwarves!" line.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Nov 17 2012, 10:36pm)


Aitieuriskon
Lorien


Nov 18 2012, 12:45am

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Very like Howe's artwork for Shelob's Lair [In reply to] Can't Post

The stone has the appearance of being corroded away by the evil inhabiting the place. I love it! Smile Really looking forward to this scene

"After all, I believe that legends and myths are largely made of 'truth', and indeed present aspects of it that can only be received in this mode; and long ago certain truths and modes of this kind were discovered and must always reappear." Professor Tolkien, 1951


Voronwë_the_Faithful
Valinor

Nov 18 2012, 1:15am

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I agree, except for [In reply to] Can't Post

The Great Goblin's throne. Crazy

'But very bright were the stars upon the margin of the world, when at times the clouds about the West were drawn aside.'

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