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Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 12:51am

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Well yeah in a perfect world [In reply to] Can't Post

The Hobbit would have been made first, been successful, then we could have had six movies for LOTR.
Whether he has to make them up or not, he still probably feels the need to flesh the main characters out to please the majority of the audiences. Hopefully he'll be able to strike the right note with as many people as possible, including yourself. It's a tough job but he was able to pull it off with LOTR.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 16 2012, 6:22am

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I agree [In reply to] Can't Post

That five or six LOTR films would have done the story more justice.

However, I will not reject some more nuance in three Hobbit films just because LOTR didn't receive the same treatment. IMO, more time may help lessen some of PJ's tendencies to over-simplify...


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 8:54am

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And not found an audiance [In reply to] Can't Post


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That five or six LOTR films would have done the story more justice.


Because the pacing would have been two slow, and people would have lost track of what was going on. There are two features of a novel that people seem to forget when discussing adaptations: in a novel, you can flip back at any time to check on names and details that you are uncertain of; you can put down a novel at any time and any point in the story.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 2:40pm

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It's more than possible the audience would have stuck around [In reply to] Can't Post

After all they demonstrated they could do so with Harry Potter.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 3:15pm

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A series of seven simple and largely self contained stories [In reply to] Can't Post

is hardly comparable... Crazy


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After all they demonstrated they could do so with Harry Potter.


A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 3:28pm

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It's completely comparable [In reply to] Can't Post

After all what are the three movies for The Hobbit? It's taking one story and making three stories out of it. If there is interest (and there is), people will keep coming back, you picking out a technicality doesn't change that fact.

Other examples... Batman, Spiderman, James Bond, need I go on? If people are interested in the characters, they'll keep coming back. So yes, they could have made LOTR into six movies. And they still can. And in the future they just may.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.

(This post was edited by Tim on Nov 16 2012, 3:30pm)


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 4:06pm

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These are examples of seperate, self contained stories [In reply to] Can't Post

about the same character. There is no complexity. Indeed, using an established character like Bond or Batman reduces complexity.

And we weren't talking about making three movies out of The Hobbit, we where talking about spreading an exceedingly complex, interleaved story with a great many characters and no clear break points over six or seven movies over as many years.

The Hobbit? well, the plot is a bit thin to turn into three movies, but at least there is little chance of people getting confused.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Elenorflower
Gondor


Nov 16 2012, 4:11pm

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Exactly Tim, and all the more reason [In reply to] Can't Post

to do them, because I think that apart from Harry Potter, LOTR is more loved than any other story I can think of.
I hope one day PJ decides to make a revised EE of all the extra footage they cut the first time round, and makes a hugemega EE. Even if it means we see 4 instead of 3 films. But honestly I think Martin Freeman will be so good that I really wont mind the extra frills and the spills going on around him.


(This post was edited by Elenorflower on Nov 16 2012, 4:12pm)


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 4:16pm

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I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill [In reply to] Can't Post


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about the same character. There is no complexity. Indeed, using an established character like Bond or Batman reduces complexity.

And we weren't talking about making three movies out of The Hobbit, we where talking about spreading an exceedingly complex, interleaved story with a great many characters and no clear break points over six or seven movies over as many years.

The Hobbit? well, the plot is a bit thin to turn into three movies, but at least there is little chance of people getting confused.



If people are interested in Frodo and Gandalf and Gimli, et al. they'll keep coming back, and writers can find ways of taking the story and breaking it into segments.

You can have the last word if you want I think I've made my point.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.

(This post was edited by Tim on Nov 16 2012, 4:16pm)


Tim
Tol Eressea


Nov 16 2012, 4:22pm

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For me Martin Freeman [In reply to] Can't Post


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to do them, because I think that apart from Harry Potter, LOTR is more loved than any other story I can think of.
I hope one day PJ decides to make a revised EE of all the extra footage they cut the first time round, and makes a hugemega EE. Even if it means we see 4 instead of 3 films. But honestly I think Martin Freeman will be so good that I really wont mind the extra frills and the spills going on around him.


was excellent as Bilbo in that last TV spot where he gave his little speech, so I agree with you. I always thought he looked the part and could act so it's gratifying to see him being the Bilbo I imagined in the book(s).
And I agree with you, Tolkien's stories are going to be made into more and more film adaptation especially if The Hobbit is the huge hit I think it probably will be. I wouldn't be surprised if PJ does that EE we wish for, he's already joked about it before.

-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 16 2012, 4:26pm

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Sure people are interested in the characters [In reply to] Can't Post

and you could write endless original stories about them (if it where legal) and people would come and watch them.

You could, for example, make "The Dwarves", and follow Balin from the Fall of Erabor all the way through to his death in Moria. And it could be a perfectly good movie with a small number of well developed characters and a strong central narrative.

But try to mix it in with the story of The Hobbit (which has already accreted the Dol Guldur plotline) and you know what you get? A mess that does none of the stories justice.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


starlesswinter
Lorien

Nov 16 2012, 11:05pm

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Well, no, I wasn't suggesting it's the only alternative [In reply to] Can't Post

As I might have said before, I brought the colored cloaks up because so many people expected - or even wanted - that to be the distinction among the thirteen dwarves.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 5:06am

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I agree with Tim [In reply to] Can't Post

And I just now realized that I should always agree with him because he is, after all, Tim.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 17 2012, 5:08am

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I'd like to see a 6-film LOTR [In reply to] Can't Post

Directed by Alfonso Cuaron. That would be mind-blowingly awesome. And yes, people would come.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 17 2012, 11:11am

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A good director doesn't always equate to a good film ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 17 2012, 2:45pm

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Does he even [i]like[/i] Tolkien? [In reply to] Can't Post

The bottom line is, PJ did LotR because he had a passion for it when no one else was even interested.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 17 2012, 3:12pm

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Points at "Children of Men" [In reply to] Can't Post

Although I think the author is as much to blame as the director. I hate it when writers think the can write science fiction without actually having read very much.

Death Comes to Pemberley was a triumph of ego over understanding of genre as well.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...

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