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"Persbrandt is not in The Hobbit"
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DeadRabbits
Lorien


Nov 15 2012, 10:29am

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"Persbrandt is not in The Hobbit" Can't Post

This article was the biggest "scoop" today in the movie section of the Swedish tabloid magazine Aftonbladet:

Mikael Persbrandt is not in The Hobbit
He won't show up in the first film: "Peter Jackson could have cut the movie differently"

The premiere for Peter Jackson's The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey is approaching. Those who long to see Mikael Persbrandt in the shape of a bear will be disappointed, though. Beorn is not in the movie.

Mikael Persbrandt's much talked about debut on the international film scene will hence be delayed, because of director Peter Jackson's late decision to turn the story about the hobbit Bilbo into three movies instead of two.

The shapeshifter Beorn will therefore not show up before film number two, The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug (2013). He's also in The Hobbit: There and Back Again (2014), confirms Mikael Persbrandt's agent Peter Jansson to TT Spektra.

Stretched out
For die-hard Tolkien fans, Beorn's delayed appearance is not a surprise. David Borgström, an avid Tolkien reader since 20 years, and purchaser at the Science Fiction bookstore in Stockholm, says that the thin source material, the novel The Hobbit, and the collected works from Silmarillion(!), needs to be stretched out to fill the movies.

- Peter Jackson could have cut the movie differently, but now that he's making three movies, he's probably going to make the action sequences - like the battle of the seven(!) armies - longer and richer compared to the book. And that makes it logical for Beorn to not appear right away.

The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey will open on December 12th.

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 15 2012, 10:43am

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Misleading title? [In reply to] Can't Post

I was expecting news that he had been axed completely. We've known this news for ages.

I doubt it's the Battle of the Seven Armies as well. Probably misinformation.

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DeadRabbits
Lorien


Nov 15 2012, 11:01am

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Yeah, I'm aware of that... [In reply to] Can't Post

The title is exactly the same as the headline of the article, so that was intentional. It was an attempt to show how little the journalists and so called "experts" actually know, and just how late they are at picking things up (as you said, we've already known this for ages) - that explains the quotation marks around "scoop". I guess it all misfired, though, so if some admin sees this - please feel free to delete the entire post.

I'm also aware that the battle is called the battle of the five armies - I just thought that it was kinda funny that the Tolkien "expert" called it battle of the seven armies and referred to Silmarillion as source material for the movies.

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 15 2012, 11:06am

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I wasn't suggesting it was your fault DeadRabbits.Smile Should have made that clearer! Sorry!

It does make me laugh though. Is the source known for accuracy, or is it equivalent to The Sun in the UK (made up stories, misinformation etc.)

I was really expecting to see he had been axes though. Why put such a dramatic title?!

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DeadRabbits
Lorien


Nov 15 2012, 12:11pm

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Ok, sorry... then it's all good :) [In reply to] Can't Post

Aftonbladet is the Swedish equivalent to The Sun, i guess, although not as extreme (but close to it sometimes).

Now now Bill, you swore this was a battle between warriors, not a bunch of miss nancies, so warriors is what I brought


Danielos
Rohan

Nov 15 2012, 12:33pm

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Poor cast! [In reply to] Can't Post

I feel sorry for Lilly, Persbrandt, Fry and Evans. Filming stuff since 2011, and having to wait yet another year until anyone would see their performances.


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 1:33pm

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I don't think that's fair. [In reply to] Can't Post

While they have similarities, The Sun is much, much worse than Aftonbladet. Aftonbladet at least has some quality journalism in it, and a lot of bad ones as well. This whole article belongs to the latter, and the so called "Tolkien expert" whom we all here corrected within 1 second of reading it.



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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 15 2012, 2:32pm

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It's not any different to a long TV series, for instance [In reply to] Can't Post

Actors will be use to it. And it's all part of their job too.Smile

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Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 3:05pm

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I feel worse for us! [In reply to] Can't Post

Having to wait an extra year to see them all. I was really looking forward to getting through Mirkwood.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Nov 15 2012, 3:12pm

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A little dissappointed [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm a little disappointed for the year wait but I am glad the decision was made to go to three movies. The silver lining is it gives another year or more to perfect his scenes and place in the movies if there is need to add more.

I just came across a great essay on Beorn and I hope he is written into the movie along the lines of this essay. It's how I have always envisioned him.


http://faculty.uca.edu/jona/second/hobbeow.htm


Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 3:18pm

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I'm still wary of the three film split [In reply to] Can't Post

And hope it works out for the best. The last few tv spots have boosted my excitement, though, especially the latest one with Bilbo's little speech.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


malickfan
Gondor

Nov 15 2012, 3:19pm

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Perhaps it IS the Battle of 7 armies now? [In reply to] Can't Post

There are all the rumours about Rangers of the North, Elves of Rivendell etc turning up, and as they are Connecting it with the Battle of Dol Goldor perhaps Sauron could send Orcs (a different army to the 'Goblins') and Ringwraiths north?

Speaking as a bokk firster I hope not...as a film fan...could be cool.

‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’

Perhaps the most fascinating Individual in Middle Earth



Ardamírë
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 3:23pm

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Rumors of the Dunedain and Elves? [In reply to] Can't Post

When was this? I don't like that idea at all. I'm fine with Lothlorien Elves at Dol Guldor, and Mirkwood Elves at the BOFA, but no rangers need to be in these movies - especially after they were cut from LOTR.

"...and his first memory of Middle-earth was the green stone above her breast as she sang above his cradle while Gondolin was still in flower." -Unfinished Tales


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Nov 15 2012, 3:27pm

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I really hope not... [In reply to] Can't Post


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There are all the rumours about Rangers of the North, Elves of Rivendell etc turning up, and as they are Connecting it with the Battle of Dol Goldor perhaps Sauron could send Orcs (a different army to the 'Goblins') and Ringwraiths north?

Speaking as a bokk firster I hope not...as a film fan...could be cool.



I don't mind (I even expect) Rangers and Rivendell Elves at the Assault on Dol Guldur. However, there is no reason why they should also turn up at Lonely Mountain unless they were acting as an escort for Gandalf.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 3:41pm

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I honestly doubt it. [In reply to] Can't Post

The Battle of Seven Armies? That was surely just the Tolkien-expert being mistaken, I doubt he would have any inside information anyway about a film project on the other side of the world that would suggest this change, from BO5A to BO7A.

Nothing to worry about....



The greatest adventure is what lies ahead.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 15 2012, 4:24pm

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This [In reply to] Can't Post

And he may have in included bats and Beorn as separate armies.

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macfalk
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 4:27pm

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Nah... [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien strictly refers to it as the Battle of Five Armies. One could argue that there were more armies involved, but the name Battle of Seven Armies is just a slip of the tongue, I am sure of it.



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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 15 2012, 4:29pm

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You'd be surprised [In reply to] Can't Post

Not many can name all 5 correctly!Wink

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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Nov 15 2012, 4:31pm)


Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Nov 15 2012, 4:33pm

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Are we really sure? [In reply to] Can't Post

Peter Jackson has made god knows how many more changes than what we have heard of the the great tale the Hobbit.Crazy
Is it really that big a stretch to think he wouldn't add a couple more armies or do something really stupid (IMO) like have Sauron show up too, so the battle could be more epic? Angelic


Subtlety or being able to help himself for making unnecessary changes has never been Peter Jackson's strong suite.Unsure


macfalk
Valinor


Nov 15 2012, 4:39pm

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That's not the point. [In reply to] Can't Post

The point is that nothing suggests that this "expert" source knows anything about the Battle of Five Armies in PJ's Hobbit.



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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 15 2012, 4:40pm

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Since the comment was made by someone who has nothing to do with the production [In reply to] Can't Post

Nor been on set, then there's not much point second guessing. Things are always reported incorrectly, so I don't think we should start a petition yet.

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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Nov 15 2012, 4:45pm

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But if it has been changed.... [In reply to] Can't Post

That is exactly the point, because that would mean the source was correct... Granted its a tabloid so I would take it with a grain of salt but every once in a while they do get some reports right. Just something we shall have to wait and see.Wink

And i wasn't saying burn anyone at the stake or get petitions started DanielLB Tongue LaughLaugh


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 15 2012, 4:49pm

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It's not a tabloid [In reply to] Can't Post

It's a tabloid asking a random person in a book-store who says they read the Hobbit 20 years ago.

My gran (who is dead) would be a more reliable witness!

You migh as well say "there is moss on the north side of this oak tree, so that shows that PJ might have changed the Bo5A"

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 15 2012, 4:52pm

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It hasn't been changed. [In reply to] Can't Post

There are 5 Armies, with a few additions (bats and so on).

Really, there's no need to suppose anything else.

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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Nov 15 2012, 4:55pm

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I wouldn't be the slightest surprised [In reply to] Can't Post

If Jackson changed it Tongue ... He seems to have that attitude bigger is better and picks spectacle over substance every time. 7 armies would make it bigger than 5 Wink and didn't Cumberbatch call it the 7 legions war or something like that quite a while ago? I can't remember what his exact quote was but I know he said something about it. But the change wouldn't surprise me if it happens.

we'll just have to wait and see, less than a month to goWink

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