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Carne
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Nov 14 2012, 8:36pm
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His arm is moving.
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Lusitano
Dor-Lomin
Nov 14 2012, 8:45pm
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that question is what thorin asks at that moment..somehow i feel like they added it over his supposed line..and Bilbo points to Dwalin, not Thorin...
THAT is Bilbo Baggins. Really looking forward to his Bilbo.
What is Bilbo striking at?? A Warg, post Goblin Town? Is that Thorin on the ground? 
PS why didnt they upload a HD verison?? 
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Faenoriel
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Nov 14 2012, 8:46pm
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That so honestly sooooo good. *tears*
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How are we to survive a month, if we keep getting stuff like this on daily basis?
But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied
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redgiraffe
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Nov 14 2012, 8:49pm
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I agree, there's no way to tell
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And no can definitively say what's going on PJ's head (or the studio executives). Perhaps he's making the film he would given no creative stipulations or self-censorship whatsoever...perhaps not.
We really don't know if he has complete creative control or not over the film.
This may sound bad to PJ lovers (and I'm one of them), but I certainly hope he doesn't have completely free reign over everything. While I think director's should have majority control over the project, I think there also needs to be a little bit of balance on the other end. It doesn't have to be from the studio, necessarily, but from somewhere.
I think it's always best for someone to throw out a little constructive criticism. This is one of my theories about why Lucas just did a horrible job with the Star Wars prequels. But that's another discussion.
Awesome TV spot though! Best stuff since the first trailer. I think Freeman was just absolutely spot on. I was so moved by the little bit of dialogue he had that I completely forgot about any reservations I've been feeling. It's like I immediately thought, "this is gonna be great!"
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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redgiraffe
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Nov 14 2012, 8:52pm
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While I can't say what's been said behind closed doors, what I know about PJ - and what I've seen of the production - has me rather confident that he's very much the same director who isn't looking to betray what made his original trilogy of films so creatively rich. He could have done many things differently had he wanted to go down that path...and if there was so much studio pressure, I think it would have been a little more obvious by this point. So far, I'm feeling good.
The most reassuring quote from PJ is him saying that when he jumped on board as director he wanted the look of the films to seem as if the same exact people who filmed LOTR were filming this.
Hopefully that's how it will turn out. For some reason aesthetic continuity is a big deal to me when dealing with sequels and prequels.
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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jtarkey
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Nov 14 2012, 8:53pm
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I was in Stone Street Studios and I walked past PJ's office. He Had a newspaper article about how George Lucas ruined Star Wars taped to his window. I remember feeling instantly relieved by his constant reminder to self.
If there's one thing good about those prequels, it's that they serve as a "how to" guide of how NOT to make prequels. Makes it a little easier for other directors attempting it.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
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Bombadil
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Nov 14 2012, 8:53pm
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Found. It!
"Conflict within the Company"
Yes..Conflict &
Growth of
Bilbo is.
A sight to
Behold..
BOMBY
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redgiraffe
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Nov 14 2012, 8:55pm
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...is that if Bilbo's speech is part of the final scene of the film - then there will in fact be a proper, emotional resolution in this film.
Something I had been worried about was that in changing this from 2 films to 3, there wouldn't be an ending that resonated on a proper emotional level. I feared that it would feel like the film just stops, as opposed to an ending that felt well scripted.
But if this is the ending of the film, it looks like it will be quite emotional, and mark a real turning point for Bilbo's character and the dwarves' newfound respect for him.
It gives me great confidence that there will be some emotional resolution to it.
I shared the same fears as you. But, honestly I remembered how much I loved the LOTR movies and I think PJ did a good job of knowing how to cut the endings and make them emotional. So I haven't been too worried at all about the hobbit.
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Lusitano
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Nov 14 2012, 8:58pm
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i dont like low resolution videos
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redgiraffe
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Nov 14 2012, 9:03pm
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I was in Stone Street Studios and I walked past PJ's office. He Had a newspaper article about how George Lucas ruined Star Wars taped to his window. I remember feeling instantly relieved by his constant reminder to self. If there's one thing good about those prequels, it's that they serve as a "how to" guide of how NOT to make prequels. Makes it a little easier for other directors attempting it.
Whether they admit it or not, I'm willing to bet the Star Wars prequels have been in the back of EVERYONE'S minds on the hobbit production.
-Sir are you classified as human
-Negative, I am a meat-popsicle
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Apatcha
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Nov 14 2012, 9:06pm
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they're trying to cause us some serious health issues. The beginning of the marketing line was slow, but now they're assaulting us almost everyday, sometimes twice a day, with some new awesome footage, some new spoilers and informations. It might be too much, but I just love every second of it.
That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
So, carefully! Carefully with the plates!
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Cave Troll
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Nov 14 2012, 9:16pm
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I understand where you're coming from in saying Freeman has appeared just a bit too contemporary - especially after the second trailer which painted him as a Middle-earth version of Tim from The Office - but this is the first time his portrayal of Bilbo has really clicked for me.
I think he will be very easy to relate to (forever a string to Martin Freeman's bow) and, if anything, it's reminded me why I was so pleased with his casting.
P.S. I also really like the laugh (whereas I've hated that faint and the "Fair enough" to Gollum).
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 9:25pm
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The faint is indeed rather unfortunate
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And my guess is that PJ has at least 5 takes of that, and he went with the most OTT version.
But the laugh in this TV spot is spot on. Not only that, but his body language suggests a nervousness and discomfort that is very genuine. Great acting.
Compare that to Elijah Wood's eternally stiff body language (he is in "shoulder slump mode" for almost all three films), and his recycling of his "scared animal" emoticon, and you have cause for great optimism.
IMO, Freeman is going to completely steal the show.
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Arthael
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Nov 14 2012, 9:28pm
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I love everything about this TV spot. Between this and the foreign TV Spot 3 (Galadriel : "Something moves in the dark") I have my favorite trailer yet. It looks like they've really nailed it! Action, depth and grandiosity: even though the story is on a smaller scale that LOTR, I'm starting to convince myself that all 6 films will flow together pretty well! The soundtrack snippets I've heard have played a major part in that, as well as the dialogue in these trailers. Now I'll just have to wait and see how the visuals hold up! ONE MONTH!!!
"There are no safe paths in this part of the world. Remember you are over the Edge of the Wild, and in for all sorts of fun wherever you go."
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thomasofrohan
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Nov 14 2012, 9:30pm
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I'm definitely expecting great things from Freeman...
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Although I don't quite agree with your harsh words for Wood, who I think is a genuinely great actor (it's a shame more people haven't seen his work in the great but little-known Everything is Illuminated or, more recently, Wilfred, where he's a real delight) and whose portrayal of Frodo is, I think, wonderfully done from an acting standpoint. It took a few watches of each film for me to fully appreciate the performance, but there's more subtlety and talent displayed than you're giving him credit for, IMO.
From my perspective, he's certainly not stiff - he really digs deep into the internal workings of Frodo, and Wood sells the invisible weight from the Ring that is constantly pressing down. It seems to be such a common observation to just say that he makes funny faces and slumps his shoulders - there's so much more going on that too many people sadly overlook. What I also appreciate is how he shows the cost of Frodo's quest, and a lot of that comes from subtleties in body language, the way he chooses to move his face, etc. But then there's also the pre-Quest scenes, where Wood has plenty of charm and earns the affection of the audience with ease.
Then again, I also approve of some of the changes made to Frodo in the films, so I'm a strange creature indeed.
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Cave Troll
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Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm
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Elijah Wood is either pointless or annoying throughout the trilogy - it's a testament to how great the rest of it is that they're still my favourite films ever (although I know you disagree!)
Freeman has the potential to 'own' Bilbo like McKellen owns Gandalf. Very exciting.
Also, I'm actually kinda starting to feel Richard Armitage's Thorin which is nice.
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 9:33pm
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Galadriel: something moves in the dark???
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What TV spot is that from?
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jtarkey
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Nov 14 2012, 9:34pm
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There are so many parallels between LOTR and Star Wars IMO. I think learning from that series mistakes is far better than ignoring it. They are huge mistakes after all.
"You're love of the halflings leaf has clearly slowed your mind"
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Shelob'sAppetite
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Nov 14 2012, 9:35pm
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Freeman brings to Bilbo what McKellen brings to Gandalf: personality!
And that is 100% consistent with the books. No need for Ren fair-style faux archaism from Bilbo.
I also like what I am seeing, and hearing, from Armitage.
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dave_lf
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Nov 14 2012, 10:00pm
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I know the sample size is small, but so far, every line I've heard from Bilbo has come off as insincere and a bit ironic. That espically includes this clip. Now, maybe Shelob is right and the scene is occurring on the east side of the mountains. If so, maybe Bilbo is feeding the dwarves a line in order to cover himself for running away when things got dangerous and to avoid telling them about the ring. If so, bravo, because that's exactly how it comes off. If not, I sure hope the effect is just due to awkward trailer editing.
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Lissuin
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Nov 14 2012, 10:03pm
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Freeman is completely convincing.
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From his speech about home, through the laugh at "Have you done much fighting?", to the final shot of a scared hobbit fighting with all his heart to defend a friend.
Here's the depth so many say they love about The Hobbit, following Bilbo grow.
This has been better than all the TV spots and trailers together.
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Tim
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Nov 14 2012, 10:04pm
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Spine-tingling moments in this spot. I dig it the most.
-Tim came by. Tim! If you had heard only a quarter of what I have heard about him, and I have only heard very little of all there is to hear, you would be prepared for any sort of remarkable tale.
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Thang you ALL very Buch!
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