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Shot from TV Spot 6 SPOILER
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Gusev8
Bree


Nov 14 2012, 8:35pm

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Shot from TV Spot 6 SPOILER Can't Post

In the shot where you see Bilbo attacking someone/something with Sting at the ending you can see Thorin lying on the ground in the background, is this his death or what do you guys think ?


(This post was edited by Gusev8 on Nov 14 2012, 8:38pm)
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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens

Nov 14 2012, 8:38pm

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I think films two and three [In reply to] Can't Post

Might be a bit tricky if Thorin dies in this one.

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TheHutt
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 8:39pm

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Wanted to ask the same... [In reply to] Can't Post

Just wanted to ask the same question here.

Here's the screenshot in question:




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thomasofrohan
Lorien

Nov 14 2012, 8:40pm

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I'm not sure if this specific shot needed its own thread [In reply to] Can't Post

Anyway, I highly doubt it's Thorin's death. This is a television spot for the first film, and it seems to be part of the warg attack scene.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 8:46pm

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Thorin [In reply to] Can't Post

Thorin'a death scene hasn't been filmed yet.

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Mischa07
Bree


Nov 14 2012, 8:47pm

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I'm willingly to bet.. [In reply to] Can't Post

That one of the Eagles accidentally lets Thorin fall to his death, which royally upsets poor Mr. Baggins. What an emotional climax to the first film that would be. The last shot could be Bilbo hacking down an Eagle and feathers coming out of the screen in 3D. Briliant, if I say so myself.


sarahb1863
Rivendell


Nov 14 2012, 8:50pm

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Doubt it [In reply to] Can't Post

Particularly because Thorin doesn't die during the Bo5A. He dies later.

Not to mention, A. Bilbo doesn't participate in the battle, and he doesn't defend Thorin - Fili and Kili do, and B. Thorin falls in the middle of a huge, messy battle with thousands of participants, and in that shot the fallen person and Bilbo are the only two people in the shot. It doesn't look like they're in the middle of a crowded battlefield.

Given that there's a fallen warg in the left background, my guess is that Thorin gets conked out during a warg attack and Bilbo's defending him at that point.


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 8:52pm

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Hilarious! [In reply to] Can't Post

Dear god did I just laugh out loud.Laugh

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Apatcha
The Shire


Nov 14 2012, 9:01pm

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He just migh be sleeping as well..... [In reply to] Can't Post

 

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
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Lusitano
Tol Eressea


Nov 14 2012, 9:06pm

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bloody orcs! you first [In reply to] Can't Post

i was going to suggest that this takes place at the eyrie, and one of the eagles little bird children is about to have some dwarven breakfast...which Bilbo finds distastefull !


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 9:08pm

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I highlighted this in the other thread about the TV spot [In reply to] Can't Post

Here, just scroll down a bit.

Honestly, I think the writers have fabricated a fake death of sorts for Thorin, to amp up emotions...

Wouldn't be the first time!


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TheHutt
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 9:16pm

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Thorin goes over the cliff... [In reply to] Can't Post

...and lands in a river!

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DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 14 2012, 9:18pm

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And Tauriel revives him by caressing his stubble / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 9:21pm

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That would be brilliant [In reply to] Can't Post

And as we know there will be wargs in that scene, perhaps they should have him fall off the cliff while fighting a warg and its goblin rider? Would be a nice subtle reference, don't you think?


TheHutt
Gondor


Nov 14 2012, 9:22pm

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No, Bill the Pony does! [In reply to] Can't Post

...but he thinks it's Tauriel for a moment.

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Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 14 2012, 9:23pm

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My guess [In reply to] Can't Post

It's immediately after the "Thorin get's shaken in a warg's jaws" scene that has been mentioned by RA. Thorin is just stunned.

It's probably there to give Bilbo a chance to be heroic at the end of film one, now that he doesn't get to kill spiders until the second film.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 9:27pm

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Probably right, but [In reply to] Can't Post

Bilbo seems to be reacting as if he believes Thorin is dead, so I think PJ will be giving us another fake death...

If so, I find it astounding how many times they are willing to use this device to bail them out of a writing dilemma...


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 14 2012, 9:31pm

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Your not dead at 0. [In reply to] Can't Post

You have to reach -10 hp.

You didn't play enough Dungeons and Dragons.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Flame of Udun
Rivendell


Nov 14 2012, 9:42pm

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That just made my day [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile

"'Ai! ai!' wailed Legolas. 'A Balrog! A Balrog is come!'
Gimli stared with wide eyes. 'Durin's Bane!' he cried, and letting his axe fall he covered his face.
'A Balrog,' muttered Gandalf. 'Now I understand. What an evil fortune! And I am already weary.''


Mischa07
Bree


Nov 14 2012, 9:52pm

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Good :D NT [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Mischa07
Bree


Nov 14 2012, 9:53pm

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Great! NT [In reply to] Can't Post

 


pettytyrant101
Lorien


Nov 14 2012, 10:46pm

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Bit of a mess of Bilbo's story [In reply to] Can't Post

Tolkien lays out a quite simple but effective line for Bilbo as he grows in courage and bravery and his 'Tookishness' comes to the fore, climaxing in his first use of Sting agressively in Mirkwood.
So far I have seen him defending himself with it from a goblin attack (presumably in the Goblin Town/Gollum section of the film) and now this. Can't say either scene makes me very hopeful as it seems PJ has thrown Tolkiens development of Bilbo right out the window (or over a cliff) here.


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 14 2012, 10:52pm

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Also, there are white ashes falling in that last shot [In reply to] Can't Post

Which suggests that this takes place during "Out of the Frying Pan, Into the Fire."


Marionette
Rohan


Nov 14 2012, 10:57pm

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This canīt be [In reply to] Can't Post

...the ending.CrazyMad
Bilbo defending dying Thorin? Hum

Maybe they will wound Thorin in movie 1, thatīs what I think..
And so far I donīt like that, start killing Thorin since movie 1?
Whaa


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(This post was edited by Marionette on Nov 14 2012, 10:59pm)


Not_the_beard
The Shire

Nov 14 2012, 11:01pm

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The three film structure [In reply to] Can't Post

would make following Tolkien's exact character arc for Bilbo a little more difficult. It would have worked great with Mirkwood/wood elves escape being the climax of film 1. It could be Bilbo's real defining moment of the film. However, I feel like it makes perfect sense now with the three film structure for Bilbo to be given this moment chronologically earlier so that the new ending for the first film actually feels like an ending, and not a film cut at its 2/3 point.

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