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Beorn

BeornBerserker
Lorien

Nov 6 2012, 2:03pm

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I just saw these official WB character descriptions which must have come out before the split to three movies. I was under the impression Beorn's origin was a mystery known only to himself? I like the reference to an ancient people, clearly Beorn while not a giant in the sense of the Stone Giants is a giant compared to Men, Elves, and Dwarves and a singular occurrence in Middle Earth. Gandalf suspects he or his people? were driven out of the Misty Mountains by the infestation of Goblins and Orcs.

I love the three movies but I hate that he will miss the first one now. The design, the detail, and the enormity of the scale of the set of his home was the coolest thing in blog 8. Love Michael Persbrant's acting and thought as much Martin Freeman this was a perfect casting choice. I hate seeing it is still a year away.

BEORN

The gigantic Beorn is the last of the ancient people of the skin changer: He can transform into a huge bear-like creature. He lives alone, only tolerates the company of his beloved animals and does not appreciate any visitors especially not dwarfs. Gandalf knows that the companions have to take the risk and ask Beorn for help, because otherwise they will hardly survive their journey through Wilderland.


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 6 2012, 2:12pm

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No it's in Tolkien's writings somewhere [In reply to] Can't Post

He confirms Beorn is human, and that his skin changing is a learned ability.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Nov 6 2012, 2:19pm

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Does Tolkien ever explain these aspects of Beorn? I've read Rateliff's history of the Hobbit and while his name changed originally from Medwed to Beorn it confirms Beorn to be a giant in human terms, it doesn't offer any explanation of why these physical traits are unique to him. Is it product of his skin changing or is he last of a sub species of man or his just suppose to be an anomaly like Tom Bombadil? I am guessing the last of an ancient race is a PJ and WB invention?


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 6 2012, 2:25pm

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He is just a normal human [In reply to] Can't Post

of exceptionally large size. A giant human rather than a Giant.

This probably made him an outcast from normal human society, as abnormality tends too. He became friends with Radadast, who taught him skin changing and other sorcery (Tolkien's word).

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 6 2012, 2:27pm

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If memory serves me, I thought he knew of Radagast [In reply to] Can't Post

But Tolkien doesn't explicitly say anywhere it was Radagast who taught Beorn how to shapeshift.

Edit to add:

Not that I don't like the theory. It probably is the case. I just don't remember Tolkien saying that.

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(This post was edited by DanielLB on Nov 6 2012, 2:28pm)


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 6 2012, 2:31pm

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No he doesn't. [In reply to] Can't Post

But he does say Beorn's sorcery is learned, and he seems like the most plausible teacher to me.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


BeornBerserker
Lorien

Nov 6 2012, 2:35pm

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Size [In reply to] Can't Post

If you take the literal of Bilbo being able to walk between his legs and not duck for the fringe of his tunic that comes to his knees, that would make him 10-12 feet tall. I think Persbrant said 3 meters in an interview which is at the 10 feet mark and of course jibes with the scale of the set and fits with his description in the book. I guess that could be considered an abnormality but it certainly is at the extreme end of it since his would be almost twice the normal height and probably many times the mass of a normal human. It would make you think he is either an anomaly like Bombadil or some race of men that no longer exists. I have never heard of the Radagast teaching him to skin change. Is that a rumor for the movie?


Seaber
Rivendell

Nov 6 2012, 2:35pm

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Doesn't Beorn have a son? [In reply to] Can't Post

Does he not have the ability to change his skin if Beorn is the last of his kind?


Fardragon
Rohan

Nov 6 2012, 2:38pm

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Yes [In reply to] Can't Post

he has descendants. The Beornings are mentioned in LotR.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 6 2012, 2:40pm

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Grimbeorn didn't shapeshift into a Bear [In reply to] Can't Post

He was more Dwarf than Thorin himself!

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Elthir
Gondor

Nov 6 2012, 3:46pm

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Some say that he is a bear descended from the great and ancient bears of the mountains that lived there before the giants came. Others say that he is a man descended from the first men who lived before Smaug or the other dragons came into this part of the world, and before the goblins came into the hills out of the North. I cannot say, though I fancy the last is the true tale.




And The Hobbit did say there were others like Beorn though, or 'it is said' that for many generations the men of his line had the power of taking bear's shape (and some were grim men and bad, but most were in heart like Beorn).

Many many years later the power returned unexpectedly in one of Beorn's line. And this man won five Wimbledon singles titles in a row.


imin
Valinor


Nov 6 2012, 3:57pm

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Roger Federer? lol [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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Many many years later the power returned unexpectedly in one of Beorn's line. And this man won five Wimbledon singles titles in a row.



Elthir
Gondor

Nov 6 2012, 4:00pm

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Well Roger Federer did win five in a row (and more), but... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I was referring to a guy named Bjorn Borg, due to the first name, 'Bear' Smile


Tolkien once noted about Beorn that: 'though a skin-changer and no doubt a bit of a magician, Beorn was a Man' JRRT letter 144


(This post was edited by Elthir on Nov 6 2012, 4:00pm)


imin
Valinor


Nov 6 2012, 4:04pm

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Sorry i was just pulling your leg :P [In reply to] Can't Post

I knew you meant Bjorn but being a tennis fan i thought it was funny (its not, lol).

And bit of a magician - maybe federer again :P, though normally commentators describe him (at least in the UK) as having the grace and poise of a ballerina, lol.


Elthir
Gondor

Nov 6 2012, 4:09pm

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And bit of a magician - maybe federer again...



And I agree!


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