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'The Hobbit' star Martin Freeman calls Bilbo Baggins 'pompous'
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BeornBerserker
Lorien

Nov 5 2012, 1:31am

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'The Hobbit' star Martin Freeman calls Bilbo Baggins 'pompous' Can't Post

http://www.nme.com/filmandtv/news/the-hobbit-star-martin-freeman-calls-bilbo-baggins/289698


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 5 2012, 1:48am

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This kind-of confirms something that worries me about Bilbo's persona... [In reply to] Can't Post

The book is charming and whimsical, NOT a comedy. This aspect seems potentially over-done, IMO. However, thanks for sharing the article! Smile

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Much of the comedy comes from seeing his correctness face danger for the first time.


My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


burgahobbit
Rohan


Nov 5 2012, 1:56am

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I agree but I think the character can still be salvaged [In reply to] Can't Post

He said "much of the comedy" probably meaning, "much of Bilbo's comedy". He didn't say "much of the film."

I think when he is not being funny, he may feel more like Bilbo. A "You will promise that I will come back." genuine personality with a bit of talking to himself throughout the film is enough to have me sold that Martin is Bilbo.

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Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 5 2012, 2:00am

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I'm not sure I understand [In reply to] Can't Post

Here is Freeman's quote:


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When asked what he thinks separates the two hobbit characters, Freeman said: "He [Bilbo] is intrinsically more correct than Frodo, more pompous. Frodo is more open Bilbo has to be broken open like a clam. Much of the comedy comes from seeing his correctness face danger for the first time."


That is, almost to a T, precisely where a lot of the humor in the books finds itself. Furthermore, Freeman's description of Bilbo seems spot on, and very consistent with his book counterpart.

If anything, this description reveals how much PJ distorted Frodo's character for LOTR. Frodo was far more "British" and less "open" in the books than he was in the films, where he was essentially a blank cipher.


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 5 2012, 2:07am

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What I mean is that Bilbo in the book actually reacted to what was occuring around him [In reply to] Can't Post

Not blowing it off with cool, "comedic" replies as we've seen in (at least a bit) of Bilbo's character in the film. Though granted, the characters we saw in the LotR trailers and TV spots were pretty much what we got in the films.

Bilbo being more reserved, more proper, in the novel, doesn't result in his making light of the trolls and Gollum as he does (as least at some point), in the film. Hearing MF articulate that this is the route they've taken is a tad worrysome, is all...I really hope the films are not all-out comedies. For Bilbo to have MORE of a dry English wit, say when he's not in immediate danger, I don't really have a problem with.

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


Xanaseb
Tol Eressea


Nov 5 2012, 2:09am

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Yup, perfect IMO. No issues here whatsoever! :) [In reply to] Can't Post

MF has a wonky way of saying it maybe, but the actual meaning of what he said there is great

^my own sentence there was wonky lol Sly

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GoodGuyA
Lorien

Nov 5 2012, 4:08am

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I think that is at the core of the character! [In reply to] Can't Post

Just imagine for a moment that you've only interacted with pleasantly polite folk all your life, and then suddenly you're in the way of some folks who want to harm you. Would your immediate reaction be silence and screaming? I think for Bilbo, reasoning is his tool in this situation, and it is quite humorous. I think particularly with the "joking with trolls" bit we haven't seen the full lead up to it, but I think the reaction fits in tone with his character. The cordiality of his talk with Gollum is definitely there in the books, and people are just bagging on it because it's different. The trolls make even more sense for his reasoning side to come out, since it's the first encounter he has. This is one of the arcs, I think, where Bilbo will soon realize that he can't talk his way out of everything, especially once they get to Mirkwood.


redgiraffe
Rohan

Nov 5 2012, 5:10am

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I completely agree [In reply to] Can't Post


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That is, almost to a T, precisely where a lot of the humor in the books finds itself. Furthermore, Freeman's description of Bilbo seems spot on, and very consistent with his book counterpart.


I always pictured Bilbo as being slightly self-centered and pompous. Although I still liked Frodo's portrayal in the movies I think Bilbo can actually draw more of a connection and love from the audience. He's quirky and out of place on his adventure, and IMO this seems like something that would be more enjoyable to watch than a character who slowly deteriorates as the story progresses.

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There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Nov 5 2012, 5:28am

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but the hobbit IS a comedy [In reply to] Can't Post

a fantasy adventure comedy. The inherent situation and plot of The Hobbit is comedic. Stuffy english man gets thrown into medieval notions of adventure and mayhem.

comedy. Angelic

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Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 5 2012, 5:47am

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Charming/airy/whimsical yes - a straight-up "comedy", not so much. [In reply to] Can't Post

What worries me about this is that PJ will overdo the "detached quality" of Bilbo for comedic effect. The Bilbo being "clam-like" makes him seem outwardly impervious...remember the Bilbo of the book was prone to funny queer fits, tended to be quite adamant about not being eaten/smooshed/cooked, ETC.

But in any event, we've yet to see too much of Bilbo's role on-screen, so it's for now unknown just how he'll fare (I know I brought it up, but I don't want to get to off-track seeing as we've discussed it recently anyway). Wink

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


(This post was edited by Captain Salt on Nov 5 2012, 5:56am)


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 5 2012, 6:49am

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Well [In reply to] Can't Post


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remember the Bilbo of the book was prone to funny queer fits, tended to be quite adamant about not being eaten/smooshed/cooked, ETC.


We've already heard Freeman complain about possible "incineration" and then faint in the presence of the dwarves, so we'll certainly be seeing some of those funny queer fits.



DanielLB
Immortal


Nov 5 2012, 7:58am

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This is probably what Gandalf picks up on too [In reply to] Can't Post

We know Gandalf is disappointed by how much Bilbo has changed since their last meeting.

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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Nov 5 2012, 3:27pm

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well he didn't faint in the book [In reply to] Can't Post

But, I'm a bit concerned it is portrayed OTT though how he stops turns and then just drops like a stone after saying his whole line of dialogue. Seems to me if it bothered him that badly he would have been speechless and simply fainted at the thought of incineration instead of turning to look at the camera say no and faint. Things seem to be being played up as outright comedy instead of has been said charming and whimsical. Wink OTT is not always better IMO Unsure


Captain Salt
Tol Eressea


Nov 5 2012, 4:56pm

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But again, in an artificial, affected way... ;P // [In reply to] Can't Post

 

My Top 5 Wish List for "The Hobbit"
5. Legolas will surf down Smaug's neck
4. Bilbo will be revealed to a Robot
3. Naked PJ cameo as Ghan-Buri-Ghan
2. Use of not only 3D, but smell-o-vision, plus the inclusion of axes coming out of the seats and poking the audience when appropriate
1. Not only keep the claim that Thorin & Co. ran amok in Mirkwood "molesting people", but depict said incident in vivid detail!!!!!


There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Nov 5 2012, 4:57pm

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I disagree [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the Hobbit book IS a comedy, but we'll see how they treat the film, which is a beast of its own. Wink

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"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas


Shelob'sAppetite
Valinor

Nov 5 2012, 5:36pm

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I agree with that [In reply to] Can't Post

My worry is that PJ, as is his wont, is choosing the most over-the-top takes out of a number of more subtle ones. I wonder if that sort of thing will irk an actor like Freeman, who is very self-critical.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Nov 5 2012, 6:47pm

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Bilbo didn't faint dead away, but he did have a fit... [In reply to] Can't Post

From "An Unexpected Party":


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Poor Bilbo couldn't bear it any longer. At may never return he began to feel a shriek coming up inside, and very soon it burst out like the whistle of an engine coming out of a tunnel...Then he fell flat on teh floor, and kept on calling out "struck by lightning, struck by lightning!" over and over again; and that was all they could get out of him for a long time.



It's not quite the same, but the fainting might work better on film than the fit.

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Sinister71
Tol Eressea


Nov 5 2012, 7:43pm

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Its not the fainting I mind [In reply to] Can't Post

Its the OTT portrayal and comedic style that I'm not a big fan of. I would figure fainting would work a bit better than the way it was in the book but it just looks like a staged faint to me and not someone genuinely fainting. Kind of reminds me in the three stooges how they faint to be honest.


Otaku-sempai
Half-elven


Nov 5 2012, 7:46pm

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Understood... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm just not ready to judge it too harshly when seen out-of-context.

'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring


totoro
Lorien

Nov 6 2012, 3:31am

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I'm glad they went with fainting [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought the struck by lightning bit in the book was kind of stupid. (No offense, JRRT.)


DanielLB
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Nov 6 2012, 8:13am

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But the fainting is incredibly fake from the trailer ... / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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imin
Valinor


Nov 6 2012, 10:46am

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Dont you know the hobbit is a laugh a minute comedy? lol [In reply to] Can't Post

I think children will find that bit funny. For me it looks fake and cheesy but in the book he kinda freaked out as well so it is in keeping with the book, but perhaps they could have done it in a more realistic manner - but then that wouldnt have been funny to children/people who like fake faints, lol.


DanielLB
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Nov 6 2012, 10:54am

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It will get plenty of laughs [In reply to] Can't Post

But I think a real faint, with Balin's bit and the Dwarves reactions, would've been equally funny.

Unless it's part of the plot - Bilbo pretends to faint in the hope the Dwarves will go and find someone else. Unimpressed

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imin
Valinor


Nov 6 2012, 11:00am

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Personally what you are describing i would find more funny [In reply to] Can't Post

As what we see in the trailer just looks so fake to me i cant laugh other than laugh at it and it takes me out of the scene if that happens.

But i do think little kids would find that kinda exaggerated faint more humourous than a real faint where they might be concerned for Bilbo. We cant get everything we want, lol Tongue


DanielLB
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Nov 6 2012, 11:03am

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You speak the truth [In reply to] Can't Post


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We cant get everything we want, lol Tongue



I can imagine Bilbo pretending to faint, actually. And then slowly opening one eye to see if the coast is clearly, only to see the Dwarves helping themselves to more food.

I don't particularly like the idea, but I think it's pre- Quest Bilbo-esque.

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