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Preciousssss
Lindon
Oct 20 2012, 6:00am
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Should Magpie Make His Own Poll?
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Elizabeth
Gondolin
Oct 20 2012, 6:37am
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In the first place, Magpie is a She. In the second place, why should she make or not make a poll? I have no idea what the question is, let alone how to answer.
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Annael
Elvenhome
Oct 20 2012, 3:41pm
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any time someone uses the word "should"
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my back hairs go up. Magpie can do what she wants and no one has the right to dictate to her.
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Aunt Dora Baggins
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Oct 21 2012, 1:38pm
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Agreed. Magpie does an awful lot of excellent work for TORn, and it's presumptuous to suggest that she should do anything else.
(This post was edited by Aunt Dora Baggins on Oct 21 2012, 1:41pm)
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Magpie
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Oct 21 2012, 1:52pm
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I think this poll is the result of some good natured joshing that happened in another poll thread. I took it all in the spirit of good humor and didn't react badly to it.
I do kind of wince every time I see 'his'. I am not the most girly, girl but I am a female... as my profile page reveals. :-) But that happens on the internet and it's not the first time I've been called a dude or guy and I've made the same mistake with others.
As far as 'should'... knowing the humor this poll arose from, I didn't take it badly. But for most 'shoulds', I am can be quite ornery... as anyone who has tried to get me to do something I'm not keen to do will know.
And one shouldn't hold their breath waiting for me to start a poll. I won't be using the results of this one to persuade me. :-)
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JWPlatt
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Oct 21 2012, 4:06pm
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And one shouldn't hold their breath waiting...
Really? Now you're using "should[n't]?" I can hold my breath any time I want. LOL.
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Starling
Gondolin
Oct 21 2012, 7:59pm
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I don't think the results of this poll will be terribly scientific!
If I didn't know about the previous thread about polls, I would have wondered what on earth was going on here.
By the way can you explain the term 'ornery' to me? I sometimes read it or hear it, but I don't really understand its exact meaning. I know I could use the wonders of the internet to look it up, but I much prefer humans to explain things like this to me.
That's if you don't mind doing something for me! 
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JWPlatt
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Oct 21 2012, 9:42pm
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Bad-tempered or stubborn, as in a mule.
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Magpie
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Oct 22 2012, 1:53am
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stubborn; contrary in disposition
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It seems to have an interesting etymology of which I wasn't aware before I looked around:
Contracted or dialectal pronunciation of ordinary. Commonplace, inferior.
I've never heard it used that way.
I don't like to be coerced or manipulated into doing something I'm not on board with.
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Starling
Gondolin
Oct 22 2012, 8:24am
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I remember reading the word 'ornery' in a book when I was a child, and I thought it was some sort of American way of saying ordinary, so I was kind of on the right track!
Thanks for the info Magpie.
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Starling
Gondolin
Oct 22 2012, 8:26am
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then that sounds a bit like me. 
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Magpie
Elvenhome
Oct 22 2012, 2:19pm
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...differentiated what it meant by location. Growing up for me, it was definitively a folk, colloquial term. Just like one uses a swear word for a particular accent (one hopes, anyhow... that it isn't a constant stream), words like this were used in my household for particular accent. I also find these sorts of words kind of old fashioned. My dad used them (he was a WWII vet to place him in an era) but I don't hear them so much anymore.
Reading it in a book, one would definitely take cues from the material to put a finer definition on what it was intended to mean.
side note: ever notice how, when Tolkien uses an obscure, archaic word, he tends to define it in the surrounding/following text. So, one might think, 'hun... wonder what that means', look it up, and then realized the definition had already been supplied. I love those subtle touches.
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Sam20
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Oct 22 2012, 11:40pm
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For no particular reason I vote yes, simply because I think eveyone inclined to make a poll should make it if they want to... May it be Magpie or someone else. Though good ideas of polls that will make people come to vote and share their opinions may not be easy to find. But simple ideas can be surprinsingly sucessful for instance my poll on : ''Which Dragon do you prefer?'' (Glaurung or Smaug). So I'll encourage people to do polls, of course that's what the 'pollantìr' is for.
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Ethel Duath
Gondolin
Oct 23 2012, 2:59am
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Oh yes, me too! (The archaic words, not being ornery! Too often.)
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Tolkien the Teacher is subtly present just when we need him!
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Patty
Elvenhome
Oct 23 2012, 5:42pm
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do as she jolly well pleases.
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Magpie
Elvenhome
Oct 23 2012, 9:51pm
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that she will!
Hey, I'm a first born. What can I say?
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Lindon
Oct 24 2012, 4:41am
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did not realize you are a she not a he!
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Annael
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Oct 26 2012, 11:09pm
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also a first-born (well, to my dad . . . my half-brother is a lot older than me so we have two in the family). And I'm a real contrarian. Even when I agree with someone, if they tell me I "should" do something, I'm so tempted to do the opposite!
For instance I almost never eat red meat, but I crave steak after a conversation with a vegan.
I am aware that this tendency could make me really easy to manipulate - just tell me I "should" do the opposite of what you want me to do. 
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