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The One Ring Forums: Off Topic: The Pollantir:
Nerd or Geek?
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Poll: Nerd or Geek?
Nerd
Geek
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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 9:38am

Post #26 of 59 (334 views)
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It's alright! [In reply to] Can't Post

When I first started posting I thought gramma and Magpie were male. Absolutely no reason why!

Strange, isn't it?


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 9:39am

Post #27 of 59 (339 views)
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Thank you Magpie :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

I should have guessed it had been done before. Those were very tough though ... I think I got one right overall. Unsure


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 13 2012, 9:42am

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Do you get Accused in Canada? [In reply to] Can't Post

It's a BBC programme. You'll never look at Boromir the same again......:

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zarabia
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 4:58am

Post #29 of 59 (391 views)
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Good, bad, or indifferent - I'm probably both [In reply to] Can't Post

I usually use them interchangeably, but I think other posters are on to something when they say that geek has come to mean super-smart or super enthusiastic about something usually not quite mainstream; and nerd is someone (smart or not) with poor social skills. I'd like to think I'm smart, but there's too much proof otherwise Blush. However, I get really excited about things that many "mainstream" types don't. I used to play that down as something to be embarrassed about, but I now let my geek flag fly high and proud Cool I still try to downplay the nerdier aspects of my personality thoughTongue (Like waaay overusing "quotes" Laugh)


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 9:13am

Post #30 of 59 (392 views)
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I heard dork on TV this morning. [In reply to] Can't Post

To me, that's more derogatory than geek and nerd combined. It just doesn't sound very nice! Tongue


Magpie
Immortal


Oct 14 2012, 3:18pm

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A thought provoking book on labels like Nerd and Geek [In reply to] Can't Post

is: Nerds: Who They Are and Why We Need More of Them by David Anderegg

I didn't read this all the way through. At first, it annoyed me. But the more I read, the more I agreed and the more angry I got at the observations he was making. I went back through some emails and found a sort of synopsis I wrote to someone:
The author is making the point that American culture/society (through movies, tv, books, comics, etc.) stereotypes the NERD as someone who is smart and values education but is socially awkward and sexually unattractive. This is, perhaps, easily seen as a stereotype by adults who know it's not entirely accurate. But, he contends, the message it sends to children is more insidious. He thinks it turns them off anything 'intellectual' at a time when they need to be learning. By time they figure out that the stereotype of a NERD isn't accurate, it's too late. They're too behind in things like math and science and can't keep up. He's also tying this into the view American culture takes on the 'intellectual'.

It looks like the book is out of print now: http://www.amazon.com/...e-Them/dp/1585425907
but he's done another book: Nerds: How Dorks, Dweebs, Techies, and Trekkies Can Save America and Why They Might Be Our Last Hope
http://www.amazon.com/...erica/dp/B006CDL97C/

I think Anderegg is coming at this from someone who works with kids. So he's not talking about how labels, the way we use them and the way we define them affect adults. He's talking about how they affect kids. I don't think what he's trying to say affects discussions we have here on TORn about whether we're nerds or geeks and I will use the term geek to apply to my self without shame. But it is interesting to see how children may be internalizing a slightly different message from popular culture's view of 'geeks' that guides their choices.


Alassėa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 14 2012, 4:03pm

Post #32 of 59 (375 views)
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*ducks wrench* [In reply to] Can't Post

Dude, I thought you were a girl! I guess I should have read your profile. CrazyLaugh

Do you think I'm a little baby? Tongue


dernwyn
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 14 2012, 10:10pm

Post #33 of 59 (426 views)
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At least it's not [In reply to] Can't Post

this: the one and only Calisur-wen!

Our Founders are such geeks...Cool!


Ardamķrė
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 12:32am

Post #34 of 59 (354 views)
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You mean you're not a super intelligent genius child!? [In reply to] Can't Post

Lol, it's all good. I just think Liv is gorgeous and especially that shot of her Smile


Ring-Bearer
Rivendell


Oct 15 2012, 4:04am

Post #35 of 59 (352 views)
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I prefer 'Great Admirer of Tolkien' [In reply to] Can't Post

But either one works too Smile


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 5:57am

Post #36 of 59 (309 views)
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Yeah, there's no nice spin you can put on dork :P // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Oct 15 2012, 6:11am

Post #37 of 59 (366 views)
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Isaac Asimov wrote several essays on this [In reply to] Can't Post

Though he didn't use the terms geek or nerd, he wrote about the anti-intellectual slant of American pop culture. He cited many examples of heroes who are known more for their brawn than their brains. And scientists are always mild-mannered at best, down right wimpy at worst. Either that or twisted and evil - "the Mad Scientist."

Asimov had the same attitude as Anderegg: we need to embrace and encourage young people who are into math and science instead of making them feel inferior. (I don't remember all the details, I read these long ago when I was a kid. A kid who adored Isaac Asimov. I was, and still am, a geek/nerd Wink)


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 12:39pm

Post #38 of 59 (349 views)
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So, do you think I look like one of my kitties?// [In reply to] Can't Post

LaughWink


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 12:41pm

Post #39 of 59 (296 views)
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Did you [In reply to] Can't Post

manage to pick the cute little Magpie?Wink


Alassėa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 1:17pm

Post #40 of 59 (351 views)
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Well, yes I am, but that's beside the point. [In reply to] Can't Post

TongueCool


Alassėa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 1:19pm

Post #41 of 59 (304 views)
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Yes, nice to finally see you! [In reply to] Can't Post

I also pictured you as LIam Neeson. Laugh

Is that your boy? What game are you playing?


Magpie
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 1:57pm

Post #42 of 59 (343 views)
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I was included twice [In reply to] Can't Post

in the 2009 and 2011 editions.

I might have looked cute in the 2009 photo but in the 2011, I looked bossy. And I was. First child... what can I say. :-)


Ardamķrė
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 2:59pm

Post #43 of 59 (354 views)
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Hehe, are you the Etrade baby?// [In reply to] Can't Post

 


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 2:59pm

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If you don't know me by now [In reply to] Can't Post

is the name of one of my favourite Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes songs. Laugh

I always picture you as this super-cute, spunky Texas girl. I bet I'm pretty close on all counts. Wink

The game we are playing is called HeroScape. I ran a thread about it here about 4 years ago. (You can see more pictures of the game in all its geeky glory in there!)

And yes, that is my son Sir Malcolm, whom I love and admire... he's grown a bit since then.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 3:10pm

Post #45 of 59 (325 views)
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Dork is a strange one to me [In reply to] Can't Post

and its origins quite harsh. IIRC it is derived from Dorcus which was the name of a committee, usually attached to a church, that would take up collections of clothes, food, and unwanted household items for the poor.

Now this is going back quite a ways, to a time when helping the poor was often done by people who were poor themselves (as careers go, there is no money in it obviously). So basically we have a scenario where the name for a person asking others to help the poor came to be used in a derogatory manner. Very strange.


SirDennisC
Half-elven


Oct 15 2012, 3:34pm

Post #46 of 59 (285 views)
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Things you can't unsee. Thanks Daniel :p // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 15 2012, 5:17pm

Post #47 of 59 (292 views)
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If it's any consolation ... [In reply to] Can't Post

It's a very good programme. I'd recommend it. Smile All I could see was Boromir, mind. Wink


Alassėa Eruvande
Valinor


Oct 15 2012, 6:24pm

Post #48 of 59 (349 views)
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Wow, it's as though you can see me through the monitor! [In reply to] Can't Post

Quote: "I always picture you as this super-cute, spunky Texas girl."

Cool

HeroScape looks like it would be a good game for the Eruvandes in a few years. We're still on Castle Panic and its expansion pack at the moment. But it's perfect for our 6 and 11 year old boys.


Kelvarhin
Half-elven


Oct 16 2012, 1:11am

Post #49 of 59 (304 views)
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Yeah I know dear :) [In reply to] Can't Post

But I wasn't about to give any pointers WinkLaugh

Aw but you were a cute bossy too Heart


zarabia
Tol Eressea


Oct 16 2012, 1:54am

Post #50 of 59 (366 views)
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Interesting, but... [In reply to] Can't Post

a very sad commentary on attitudes towards the poor.

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