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QuackingTroll
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Oct 12 2012, 12:51pm
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There are many references to living mountains in LotR. Just look at Caradhras "‘Caradhras was called the Cruel, and had an ill name, said Gimli, `long years ago, when rumour of Sauron had not been heard in these lands.’" "‘Caradhras has not forgiven us.’ he said. ‘He has more snow yet to fling at us, if we go on. The sooner we go back and down the better.’" "‘Ah, it is as I said,’ growled Gimli. ‘It was no ordinary storm. It is the ill will of Caradhras. He does not love Elves and Dwarves, and that drift was laid to cut off our escape.’" "And indeed with that last stroke the malice of the mountain seemed to be expended, as if Caradhras was satisfied that the invaders had been beaten off and would not dare to return. The threat of snow lifted; the clouds began to break and the light grew broader." Peter Jackson also mentions in the commentary that when Saruman's voice can be heard, he is in fact waking up the mountain, rather than directly causing the avalanche.
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painjoiker
Grey Havens
Oct 12 2012, 1:05pm
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You think PJ can resist creating monsters in this movie? Especially now when he has three films to tell the tale?
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painjoiker
Grey Havens
Oct 12 2012, 1:50pm
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The Stone Giants are in! They only get one reference I think our chances for getting the purse got slightly higher with the confirmation about the Stone Giants There's still hope!
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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens
Oct 12 2012, 5:27pm
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Although the fear that they will be picked up does suggest a little more danger to them than to the tree next to them (I.e. it isn't quite as indiscriminate as a storm). LR
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AinurOlorin
Half-elven
Oct 13 2012, 4:57am
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Soo many things would have been different. lol. Seems like the less book time you get (cough, Lindir), the more likely you are to end up in the films. Lol. Ass backwards, but I am glad the giants made it, at least for now. lol One reference, and they're in! Why couldn't PJ do that for the LOTR trilogy? "Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!" "Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Elenorflower
Gondor
Oct 13 2012, 12:49pm
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added the Stone Giants as just an extra motive for them all to gain shelter from the storm, just one more reason why they were all persuaded to take shelter in that cave. If there had not been imminent danger of being crushed by flying bits of mountain, they may have gone on through the night instead of stopping.
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Fardragon
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Oct 13 2012, 2:09pm
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The chance of something being included
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has nothing to do with the number of words devoted to it, and everything to do with how well it serves the movie. Thus, the stone giants are included because they increase the peril in an action sequence, not because they are essential to the story. The decision to include or not include the purse will be made on the same basis. In this case, the purse would increase the comedy rating of the scene. My feeling is it won't make it into that scene, because PJ will want to crank up the tension, not lessen it. It might turn up elsewhere in the story though.
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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens
Oct 13 2012, 3:33pm
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Whilst I agree with the point.
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I'm not sure if there is a textual difference here which might be causing some confusion. In my text, the stone giants are mentioned to Beorn but not to the Great Goblin and when Gandalf refers to blocking up the cavern he simply uses the term "giant" not "stone-giant" Not sure on the discrepancies LR
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Otaku-sempai
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Oct 13 2012, 3:45pm
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I probably did mean Beorn rather than the Great Goblin
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It might not be a textual discrepency as much as myself relying too much on faulty memory. Upon reviewing my copy of The Hobbit I see that you are correct and the stone-giants are not mentioned in the encounter with the Great Goblin. As no other giants are mentioned in reference to the Misty Mountains, it seems safe to assume that Gandalf was speaking of the stone-giants when he was contemplating sealing the cave entrance in the pass.
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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Lacrimae Rerum
Grey Havens
Oct 13 2012, 3:57pm
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And not being nit-picky, but giants get mentioned a few times outside of the stone-giants. Bilbo thinks about all the names of giants and ogres he had ever heard told of in tales whilst trying to guess a riddle, and in the Shire mentions that Gandalf is famous for his stories of dragons and goblins and giants. Also, Beorn is said to be descended from an ancient bear who lived in the mountains before the giants came there. So I'm not sure we can really know what Gandalf meant. It might well be a stone-giant but equally he might have been speaking of some other type (since there seems at least to be some distinction). LR
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Otaku-sempai
Immortal
Oct 13 2012, 4:02pm
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The stone-giants may be the ones who displaced the moutain bears...
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...and who is to say that some of them had not become famous/infamous? Still, you do make your point that some other types of giants can't be ruled out (including tree-men?).
'There are older and fouler things than Orcs in the deep places of the world.' - Gandalf the Grey, The Fellowship of the Ring
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