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Pictures of Thranduil, Elrond and Legolas etc. from Frankfurt Book Fair (Spoiler)
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Magpie
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Oct 12 2012, 3:57pm

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Link to Original Article and update on Altar - not from The Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

Here's the article those images belong to: http://www.herr-der-ringe-film.de/...filme/news_95680.php

I think it's always good to post a link to the article as well as the images. For one thing, it's a courtesy to the hosting website. For another, it lets us get more information.

On the article page, there is an update. My google translation of the German is:

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UPDATE: As we know Constantine had just now, it is at the mysterious altar a piece of terrain from Schleich figures from the series to the fairy kingdom Bayala that has nothing to do with the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings. Why it was at Warner in HOBBIT showcase will forever remain a mystery. Thanks Konstantin for the info!



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Eye's on Guard
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Oct 12 2012, 4:20pm

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They were probably going for the White Council table look? // [In reply to] Can't Post

 


DanielLB
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Oct 12 2012, 4:51pm

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Thank you for the update Magpie :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought it was out of place.

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Magpie
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Oct 12 2012, 4:57pm

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when I saw the runes... [In reply to] Can't Post

I was fairly convinced it was, as well. Trying to fit the dragon, the trees, and the crystals together was certainly baffling.


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Aruakar
The Shire


Oct 12 2012, 5:12pm

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Sorry, forgot about the link to the article [:/] / [In reply to] Can't Post

 


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Anya
The Shire

Oct 12 2012, 6:06pm

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I got it wrong way round then [In reply to] Can't Post

I thought the Sinda had adopted the simple mien of the Silva.


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 12 2012, 6:51pm

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Indeed, that was Oropher's intention [In reply to] Can't Post

But the movie crew have chosen to give the audience visual clues to the history of Mirkwood by making Thranduil and Legolas all silvery, in contrast with the dark browns and greens.

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 12 2012, 9:38pm

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Elrond [In reply to] Can't Post

looks amazing! yay! Heart

not so sure about Thranduils glam-rock boots though.


Anya
The Shire

Oct 12 2012, 10:03pm

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I was not aware of that [In reply to] Can't Post

Maybe with the three film format a bit of backstory on Thranduil's history can be spared. Thran d u i l.

I have issues with the 'i' in the end of Thranduil. My fingers just want to peck out the ' dul.' I suspect hearing Thran 'dool' in my head is the cause. I had trouble grasping just what Lee Pace's pronunciation on the vlog was, so I'm stuck with dool


Ataahua
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Oct 13 2012, 12:48am

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Oooh - I want Legolas's boots. [In reply to] Can't Post

They look gorgeous. (Just the thing for jumping over large spiders.)

Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."

"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.


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DarkJackal
Rohan


Oct 13 2012, 12:50am

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2 Thumbs up on Elrond in armor [In reply to] Can't Post

Looking very classy here. But I always loved Elrond.

Can't get behind Thranduil's fashion sense yet (ever??) Just seems very awkward. Maybe in motion it will be better.



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Ælfwine Samylfin
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Oct 13 2012, 2:15am

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I believe in addition [In reply to] Can't Post

They are catching onto this line as the basis for Thranduil's design:

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If the elf-king had a weakness, it was for treasure, especially for silver and white gems.... [emphasis mine] (TH, 155)




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Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 13 2012, 1:00pm

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howz about [In reply to] Can't Post

Thran-drool? he is rather lovely. In a Lucius Malfoy Badboy Dandy kinda way.


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Anya
The Shire

Oct 13 2012, 3:47pm

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I'll agree to that [In reply to] Can't Post

I just listened to Lee Pace on vlog 8 again. He speaks it as Thran dwol. I'll bet there will be more than one pronounciation flying in the flim.


DanielLB
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Oct 13 2012, 4:23pm

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Same goes for Smaug [In reply to] Can't Post


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I'll bet there will be more than one pronunciation flying in the film


I say it something like Thran-du-will. Kind of?

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Escapist
Gondor


Oct 13 2012, 4:36pm

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You are right. [In reply to] Can't Post

I say it real fast: Thran[thw]il
The part in [ ] I kind of drop almost like a contraction but not completely


Anya
The Shire

Oct 13 2012, 6:51pm

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That may have been what Pace was aiming for [In reply to] Can't Post

"Thran-du-will." That might be the nearest to right.

I prefer Sma -ow-g. My friends say Smog. I also say sa-ow-na for sauna and get no end of grief from friends who say its a saw-na. They remind me that sausage is not saow-sage and August is not Ow-gust. Nevertheless I'm sticking to smaowg and saowna. Don't get me started.


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Magpie
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Oct 13 2012, 7:10pm

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sa-ow-na is the Finnish pronunciation [In reply to] Can't Post

And the one used by the old guard in upper Minnesota... where saunas abound.

And since sauna is a Finnish word, it is the original way to pronounce it.


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Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 13 2012, 7:14pm

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Thran-du-ill I how I pronounce the name [In reply to] Can't Post

 


Finrod
Rohan


Oct 13 2012, 10:06pm

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Spelling things out does not work [In reply to] Can't Post


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Thran-du-ill I how I pronounce the name


You really cannot use these faux-English spelling pronunciations to tell anyone how you are saying something. You have to either use IPA (International Phonetic Alphabet) symbols, or less precisely, rhyme sets for vowels or common words for consonants. For example, Smaug has the same vowel (diphthong, actually) as in English now and trout.

According to Appendix E from The Lord of the Rings:
  • th represents the voiceless th of English thin cloth.
  • r represents a trilled r in all positions. This is the sound in Spanish perro.
  • a repesents the a in English fathernot the one from English apple.
  • n and d have the normal English values, so as in English blender.
  • ui represents the diphthong in English ruin.
  • l is the l of English letnot the one from English full.
Lastly, it is a two-syllable word stressed on the first syllable. Putting that all together, in IPA, this is quite simply /ˈθran.duil/, which shows you just how phonetic Tolkien’s languages were.

…all eyes looked upon the ring; for he held it now aloft, and the green jewels gleamed there that the Noldor had devised in Valinor. For this ring was like to twin serpents, whose eyes were emeralds, and their heads met beneath a crown of golden flowers, that the one upheld and the other devoured; that was the badge of Finarfin and his house.
The Silmarillion, pp 150-151
while Felagund laughs beneath the trees
in Valinor and comes no more
to this grey world of tears and war.
The Lays of Beleriand, p 311




Escapist
Gondor


Oct 13 2012, 10:36pm

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The proper way of saying sounds so distinguished and musical. [In reply to] Can't Post

I like it ... however ... I fear that I must confess to a certain tendency in the U.S.A. towards the shortening of names so that they might be spoken in a single exhaled syllable (that doesn't require a breath first) (at least in my neck of the woods).

I wasn't suggesting that Thran[thw]il (with a long "a" as in apple / one syllable) was correct ... it's just what I had fallen into.
For example, people routinely can't tell the difference between Erin and Aaron because they breath the name out so quick and shortened.

Names that can't get contracted tend towards literal shortening or "nick-naming" like Anthony becoming just Toni - the middle part that you can say while opening your mouth for just about 1 second ... not a habit conducive toward proper pronunciation ... Thranduil would easily become Thrandy (sorry Angelic)

Legolas becomes Leg'l's and only that first part gets a wide open mouth.
Again, definitely not correct ... but that's how it comes out.

Something to work on ...


Faenoriel
Tol Eressea


Oct 14 2012, 12:59am

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I smash my head into a wall everytime you silly English speakers mispronounce it [In reply to] Can't Post

Seriously, what's so difficult with a few diphthongs? And why your language is so full of consonant clusters, and why your vowels are all wrong? Why? I demand an explanation.

Swedish should be the new lingua franca, it's easy like... a really easy language.

But every word you say today
Gets twisted 'round some other way
And they'll hurt you if they think you've lied


Magpie
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Oct 14 2012, 1:04am

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well, I can tell you... [In reply to] Can't Post

not that many people in Minnesota mispronounce it. But they put the pronunciation down to Finnish... not Swedish.

In the land of the Nords, there's just a teensy bit of competition between Finnish, Swedish, and Norwegian heritage populations.


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Elessar
Valinor


Oct 14 2012, 1:15am

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Looking good [In reply to] Can't Post

They look great as does this movie in general. Now, as far as how to pronounce things. I'm from Missouri and as much as I'd like to say it all perfectly it's not happening. If that bothers anyone then that's ok by me as I'm not going to worry. lol



Carne
Tol Eressea

Oct 14 2012, 1:16am

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Here's me with my silly voice pronouncing some of the names (using IMDb) [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm tired and it's 3 AM Tongue
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0IkDyeCW8cp

Forgot Smaug: http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Gr7xoJtsXq


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