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Recontextualizing moments from Lord of the Rings for use in The Hobbit

There&ThereAgain
Rohan


Oct 12 2012, 12:04am

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Recontextualizing moments from Lord of the Rings for use in The Hobbit Can't Post

I know this might sound a little strange, BUT PJ and Philippa and Fran are known to re-contextualize, remix and all-together wholesale use moments, lines, etc. from Tolkien's text and re-appropriate them in different situations and characters (description of the Grey Havens, the lines about Eowyn, Tom Bombadil's lines to Old Man Willow, etc.).

They are very much in the mind of, "It's not importent who says them, but that someone says it," and it got me thinking, do you think they will take any moments, lines, from the Lord of the Rings and use them in The Hobbit films in some fashion?

What do you think?

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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Oct 12 2012, 12:20am

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I think there is a good chance Gandalf's warnings to the wargs from [In reply to] Can't Post

Fellowship will show up here instead.

"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Labrynian Rebel
The Shire


Oct 12 2012, 3:00am

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The song Frodo sings at the Prancing Pony [In reply to] Can't Post

is going to make it (probably) since the dwarves said some lines from it when talking about "learning songs for the movie" in one of the vlogs.


titanium_hobbit
Rohan


Oct 12 2012, 3:19am

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there are also songs in The Hobbit [In reply to] Can't Post

We've already seen Far Over the Misty Mountains in the trailer.


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Plurmo
Rohan

Oct 12 2012, 4:48am

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After knocking on the grey stone, [In reply to] Can't Post

the Thrush turns to the company and says: "The way is shut. It was made by those who are dead."


Eye's on Guard
Lorien


Oct 12 2012, 5:03am

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Nice. Continuing... [In reply to] Can't Post


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the Thrush turns to the company and says: "The way is shut. It was made by those who are dead."


"...and the dead didn't keep it."

Forgive me. Evil


Reptile
Rivendell


Oct 12 2012, 5:19am

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The bath song? [In reply to] Can't Post

I think we can be fairly certain that they will draw freely from all the works that they have the rights to.

What lines do we hope we'll hear, and by whom? Since there is already a bathing scene in the book (at the Carrok) they could take the Crick Hollow bath song and re-purpose it here. Hmmmm, that would be an awkward place to end, though. And I really don't want to see that much of the dwarves.

"If you listen closely, you can hear the gods laughing."


guitarzankansasfan
Lorien


Oct 12 2012, 5:47am

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Then Gandalf gets Tom Bombadil's lines [In reply to] Can't Post

And tells them all to run naked on the grass. Shocked

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There was a lady.
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AinurOlorin
Half-elven


Oct 12 2012, 5:55am

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Indeed, he tells them this right before they enter Mirkwood, [In reply to] Can't Post

whereafter they go in and promptly begin very literally "molesting" Thranduil's people, just as Captain Salt told us. lol

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"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Plurmo
Rohan

Oct 12 2012, 6:02am

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Perfect! [In reply to] Can't Post

Thanks, I would have sat on the doorstep forever waiting for this jump in the meaning of "keep" to pop inside my head.

Meanwhile, inside Erebor...

Bilbo grasped a great two-handled cup, as heavy as he could carry, and cast one fearful eye upwards. Smaug stirred a wing, opened a claw, the rumble of his snoring changed its note.
"What's the matter?" asked Bilbo. "Are you lying on an ant-hill?"
"No," said Smaug, "but I'm not comfortable. I wonder how long it is since I slept in a bed?"
Bilbo yawned. "Work it out on your fingers!" he said and run for his life.


Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
Grey Havens


Oct 12 2012, 6:47am

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lolissimo [In reply to] Can't Post

Smile

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 8:38am

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It depends on how the Old Bilbo framing device works, but I could see this (word for word) being said: [In reply to] Can't Post


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"It's a dangerous business, Frodo, going out of your
door," he used to say. "You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your feet, there is no knowing
where you might be swept off to. Do you realize that this is the very path that goes through
Mirkwood, and that if you let it, it might take you to the Lonely Mountain or even further and to
worse places?"


Cue flashback to young Bilbo

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malickfan
Gondor

Oct 12 2012, 10:32am

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I wouldn't be surprised to see stuff from LOTR make its way in... [In reply to] Can't Post

The whole Dunedain rangers tomb raiding thing smacks of an oppurtunity to put the barrow wights in, and I'm fairly certain we'll see scenes lifted from fellowship to pad out the first film (i.e. fog on the barrow downs, barrow wights the bit with the wargs) plus I could see alot of the backstory and dialogue of arnor and the elder days being put in to tie the white council stuff together (though I'm not sure whether using minor references to the sil in LOTR would infringe copyright or not)

I'm not sure If I'd want to see stuff like this or not, The LOTR is different from the hobbit, and I wouldn't want important dialogue or characters lifted just to find an excuse to make the films longer (I.e Tom Bombadil or Elronds sons cropping up-no reason for them to be there and PJ would have to kill them off to explain there abscence in LOTR-like radagast...), that said this will probably be out last chance to see Tolkien on the big screen, so I guess it would be cool to see it... (I'd love to see flashbacks to gondolin and the 'goblin wars' and background cameos from Cirdan and Glorfindel-as long as it dosen't take up loads of screentime or change the plot in any way)

‘As they came to the gates Cirdan the Shipwright came forth to greet them. Very tall he was, and his beard was long, and we was grey and old, save that his eyes were keen as stars; and he looked at them and bowed, and said ‘All is now ready.’

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dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 12 2012, 12:13pm

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Lines about Radagast [In reply to] Can't Post

I was going to suggest "Radagast the Brown? Radagast the bird-tamer? Radagast the simple; Radagast the fool." (and have before), but I just realized that line comes from Unfinished Tales, and is thus off-limits.


Apatcha
The Shire


Oct 12 2012, 12:42pm

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Actually those lines came from the Fellowship of the Ring [In reply to] Can't Post

It's from Council of Elrond chapter, when Gandalf tells them about Saruman's betrayal and how was Saruman insulting Radagast, who accidentally helped him capture Gandalf.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
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painjoiker
Grey Havens


Oct 12 2012, 12:57pm

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Well, I think it's in the movies ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

I don't think the Tolkien Estate is going to rage so much over one sentence?

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DanielLB
Immortal


Oct 12 2012, 1:06pm

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They'd likely change a few words to avoid issues. [In reply to] Can't Post

"Radagast the Brown? Radagast the hare-tamer? Radagast the simple; Radagast the fool."

Wink

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dave_lf
Gondor

Oct 12 2012, 1:26pm

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Right you are! [In reply to] Can't Post

I was off-by-one when I consulted the reference list at the bottom of the Wiki page. Good, I want that line to be there. Smile


Apatcha
The Shire


Oct 12 2012, 7:02pm

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Why not :D [In reply to] Can't Post

For me, those lines show for the first time how corrupted Saruman is, to insult one of his one kinsman. I just don't see how to implant it into the movie, because Saruman is still supposed to look as the good guy.

That's what Bilbo Baggins hates!
So, carefully! Carefully with the plates!


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 12 2012, 7:42pm

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I sometimes say harsh things about people I have to work with. [In reply to] Can't Post

Does that make me evil and corrupt?


Apatcha
The Shire

Oct 12 2012, 7:54pm

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Re: I sometimes say harsh things about people I have to work with. [In reply to] Can't Post

It depends, if they didn't deserve it and you plan to take hold of the One Ring and enslave the World, than most probably you really are evil and corrupted :D :D


painjoiker
Grey Havens


Oct 12 2012, 10:42pm

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I think you have to leave the council... [In reply to] Can't Post

I think you want the ring for yourself!

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Elenorflower
Gondor


Oct 13 2012, 12:22am

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ooh Barrow Downs [In reply to] Can't Post

I just thought of zombie orcs and the creeping hand inside the Barrow, yuck.


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 13 2012, 7:10am

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It looks like a pretty accurate assessment to me: [In reply to] Can't Post

Bird-tamer: I'm sure the birds aren't actually "tame", but you can see why someone less in tune with nature would assume they are,

Simple: He lives in a little shack in the woods. A lot more simple than a high stone tower. He knows nothing about machines and engines.

Fool: He forgets to wash. He has a tenancy to play spoons at inappropriate times.

Saurman tends to underestimate the simple and the foolish, but then so do many who call themselves wise and good.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...

 
 

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