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Stone Giant Smackdown
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DemoElite
Cabin Boy


Oct 11 2012, 11:07pm

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Stone Giant Smackdown Can't Post

I noticed in the new trailer that a stone giant is falling underneath the dwarves. At first glance, it seems like an avalanche but there is a stone giant outline there. I am sure the movie will take on its own nature and add much more than we read in the book. Are the dwarves in the midst of a battle royale? Thoughts?


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Bombadil
First Mate


Oct 11 2012, 11:18pm

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In the Book..page 57 [In reply to] Can't Post

"When he peeped out in the ligthening flashes, he saw.."

SO in one beautiful Tolkien sentence
We get 2 minutes of Terror on Screen.

It's sorta MondayNight Footbal
for these fellows and the Dwarves?

Just Fans in the 3rd row?

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& Goldberry approves TOO!


Valandil ed Imladris
Able Seaman


Oct 11 2012, 11:21pm

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I hope the stone giants fight each other [In reply to] Can't Post

and not the company, because they are not supposed to be plain evil!
But yes, PJ is expanding the scene and is making another menace for the company. For me, it works, adding some danger along the way for the first film.


Lacrimae Rerum
Boatswain

Oct 11 2012, 11:25pm

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Well it was a danger to the company in the text [In reply to] Can't Post

So I'm not sure that aspect is an addition.

LR


There&ThereAgain
Rigger


Oct 11 2012, 11:27pm

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if goblin-town [In reply to] Can't Post

is the middle to latter half of AUJ then I definitely see the journey between rivendell and goblin-town to be greatly expanded.

Those Stone Giants look wonderful.

"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien

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Valandil ed Imladris
Able Seaman


Oct 11 2012, 11:29pm

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I just read the chapter yesterday [In reply to] Can't Post

and they realize that there are giants playing ball with each other and Tolkien mentions that Gandalf looks worried, something like that. But nothing happens, and soon afterwards they are entering the cave, so it's not a danger for a long time in the book.

There's also a line after they escape goblin town, where Gandalf says he'll be looking for a decent giant later that could smash the entrance of goblin town, so that the passage might be save again :D


AinurOlorin
First Mate


Oct 11 2012, 11:36pm

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Kind of agreed. The notion that everything in the time of Middle-Earth is [In reply to] Can't Post

either primarily good or primarily evil, with no inbetween, is bothersome and not properly representative. Lacrimae is right that they were a danger to the company, but they were an incidental and amoral danger, rather like the storm itself, not a hostile and malicious, evil danger like The Nazgul, or The Balrog, The Barrow Wights or even Old Man Willow. The giants were out amuzing themselves, not looking to kill Dwarves. If some dwarves got in the way and got themselves done in, oh well. But that wasn't the giants agenda.

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and not the company, because they are not supposed to be plain evil!
But yes, PJ is expanding the scene and is making another menace for the company. For me, it works, adding some danger along the way for the first film.


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Eye's on Guard
Able Seaman


Oct 11 2012, 11:40pm

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Unless... [In reply to] Can't Post

Pre-Rivendell is longer than we think. Location filming included scenes from outskirts of Hobbiton, Bywater countryside, outskirts of Bree, Farthing Countryside/Weatherhills, and Lonelands even before Trollshaw Forest. It could just be to fill in the geographical gap but I think there might be more going on here. It'd be nice if there was a lot of individual character establishment along the way before the Trollshaws.


Valandil ed Imladris
Able Seaman


Oct 11 2012, 11:41pm

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I hope this will be just so in the film! [In reply to] Can't Post

Not to much stretch, PJ!!


Valandil ed Imladris
Able Seaman


Oct 11 2012, 11:43pm

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character development is always fine [In reply to] Can't Post

especially when there are thirteen (unknown) dwarves to the audience!


Lacrimae Rerum
Boatswain

Oct 11 2012, 11:52pm

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I quite agree. [In reply to] Can't Post

Just pointing out that it was still dangerous enough for even Gandalf to be a bit worried and for them to be relieved to find shelter from it.

Occasionally it is described here as if the company were just watching them in the distance without concern, so it seemed worth plucking out that the company feeling in danger, in contrast, is a more straightforward interpretation.

LR


(This post was edited by Lacrimae Rerum on Oct 11 2012, 11:59pm)


totoro
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Oct 12 2012, 5:08am

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When I read the Hobbit... [In reply to] Can't Post

I got the distinct impression that Gandalf and company wanted to avoid attracting the attention of the giants because one of the giants might decide to pick up a dwarf and drop-kick him. I suppose it could be considered an "amoral" danger, but it felt to me like something more than walking through a lightning storm. More like an ant walking by a kid with a magnifying glass at high noon.


AinurOlorin
First Mate


Oct 12 2012, 5:53am

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True. [In reply to] Can't Post

And agreed, but again, dangerous in the way that being out in the middle of a terrible storm, or climbing up the side of a mountain is dangerous, as opposed to being pursued by bloodthirsty villains bent on your ruin.

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Just pointing out that it was still dangerous enough for even Gandalf to be a bit worried and for them to be relieved to find shelter from it.

Occasionally it is described here as if the company were just watching them in the distance without concern, so it seemed worth plucking out that the company feeling in danger, in contrast, is a more straightforward interpretation.

LR


"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"

"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."


Fardragon
Rigger

Oct 12 2012, 7:54am

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The stone giants are a personification of natural dangers [In reply to] Can't Post

In this case, being up a mountain in a storm.

Principally the danger is being hit by a boulder (avalanche).

Compare to Scylla and Charybdis in the Odyssey.

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Captain


Oct 12 2012, 8:06am

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I'm still surprised they made it into the film! [In reply to] Can't Post

One reference, and they're in!

Why couldn't PJ do that for the LOTR trilogy? Wink

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Fardragon
Rigger

Oct 12 2012, 8:10am

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In this case, they make the danger more immediate and spectacular than [In reply to] Can't Post

"we better hide out in a cave in case of avalanche".

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


DanielLB
Captain


Oct 12 2012, 8:15am

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Hiding because of the weather sounds like a good enough reason for me! [In reply to] Can't Post

Bifur is a walking lightning conductor! Wink

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Fardragon
Rigger

Oct 12 2012, 8:42am

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Given that his cousin is an ace brain surgeon [In reply to] Can't Post

You would have thought he would have had that out...

A Far Dragon is the best kind...


Earl
Forum Admin / Moderator


Oct 12 2012, 8:48am

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Even the rocks and stones in Middle-earth are hinted at as being sentient... [In reply to] Can't Post

... I don't have the exact quote, but in FOTR, Legolas says something to the effect that the rocks and stones in Hollin still recall the Elves of Eregion.

It's not too far fetched to believe that the Maiar and other lesser spirits who entered the world at the beginning of time took such forms.

The stone giants should make for a nice visual to back Bilbo's statement that "Middle-earth is, after all, full of strange creatures beyond count." Smile



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DanielLB
Captain


Oct 12 2012, 9:27am

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Too risky! ;-) / [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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DanielLB
Captain


Oct 12 2012, 9:30am

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Here's the quote :-) [In reply to] Can't Post


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'That is true,' said Legolas. `But the Elves of this land were of a race strange to us of the silvan folk, and the trees and the grass do not now remember them: Only I hear the stones lament them: deep they delved us, fair they wrought us, high they builded us; but they are gone. They are gone. They sought the Havens long ago.'


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Earl
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Oct 12 2012, 9:36am

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Daniel, you rock! ;) [In reply to] Can't Post

Yes, that's the line I was talking about. It really sounds (to me anyway) that the stones in that region were more alive, so to speak, just like some of the "trees" in certain other regions.



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DanielLB
Captain


Oct 12 2012, 9:58am

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I agree! [In reply to] Can't Post

I think the stones have an after-memory of the Elves, but I don't think they sit there talking to each other.

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Hamfast Gamgee
Gunner

Oct 12 2012, 10:51am

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Hers my suggestion [In reply to] Can't Post

One stone-giant is about to hurl a huge rock at the party. One huge enough to knock them all of the mountain to their deaths in the valley below. However, just before he does, he is tackled by a fellow giant, drops the boulder, and they both fall down the mountain laughing. Unwittingly, one Stone-Giant has just saved the entire quest.


Fardragon
Rigger

Oct 12 2012, 12:48pm

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SHE could do it... [In reply to] Can't Post

 

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