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Movie Theatres in 48fps?
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Briginn_the_blue
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Oct 9 2012, 7:57pm

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Movie Theatres in 48fps? Can't Post

Hey everyone, I know that the date for early ticket sales is quickly approaching and for many they have already gotten theirs. I will be purchasing mine when I can but I would like to do so for a showing in 48 fps. Has anyone seen or heard of a list of what theaters will be showing the Hobbit in 48 frames, in 3D.

Thanks,


DanielLB
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Oct 9 2012, 8:02pm

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Welcome to TORn Briginn_the_blue :-) [In reply to] Can't Post

What country do you live in? I'd be interested in any news for UK cinemas - I have no idea where I'm going to see it, and if I'll see it in 3D or 2D first. Crazy

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Magpie
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Oct 9 2012, 8:22pm

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Here's a little I found: [In reply to] Can't Post

"According to source familiar with Warner's release plans for Peter Jackson's first "Hobbit," the HFR version will go out to only select locations, perhaps not even into all major cities."

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118057587


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painjoiker
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Oct 9 2012, 10:21pm

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I guess Trondheim is a "major" city then... [In reply to] Can't Post

HAH!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/..._Norway_panorama.jpg
Does this look like a "major city" to you?!
Didn't think so ;)

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Magpie
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Oct 9 2012, 11:54pm

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?? [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not sure that quote said that only major cities would get 48 fps. It said only 'select' cities would get it an perhaps not all major cities.

So if Trondheim is getting it, it is a select city. But Chicago - which I would warrant is considered a major city - might not.

I presume by your post that Trondheim is getting it? Do you have more info?

I haven't found any clear information about any theater, let alone the ones in my town. I suppose I could call them but I don't really care that much. ;-p


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Carne
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Oct 10 2012, 12:00am

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I suggest emailing the cinema you plan on going to [In reply to] Can't Post

My city is more than twice as small as Trondheim and they'll be showing it in 48fps here.


painjoiker
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Oct 10 2012, 12:01am

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I have my ticket to An Unexpected Journey. [In reply to] Can't Post

which stated 2D, 4k and 48fps :)
It doesn't say 48fps ON the ticket, but it did on the screen when I bought it ^^

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Magpie
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Oct 10 2012, 12:06am

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response to painjoiker & carne [In reply to] Can't Post

It could be interesting to start a list somewhere of theaters that are showing it in 48 fps.

I wonder how many people will care. I kind of think that, as they start doing more open, wide-scale promotion of the movie, then the subject will be more talked about. It's then that I expect to start hearing which theaters have it or not.

Did I remember reading that 48 fps wouldn't cost more?

what is 4k?


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painjoiker
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Oct 10 2012, 1:07am

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48fps didn't cost more to me at least :) [In reply to] Can't Post

4k is the resolution!
4k = 4000
the usual home TV is 1080p (not sure what t p stands for), but that makes the resolution for The Hobbit 4 times more than a home TV :)

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Owain
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Oct 10 2012, 1:21am

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The P stands for progressive. [In reply to] Can't Post

When televisions were originally made the only content that was viewable was over the airwaves.

To send that signal the broadcasters sent the frames as interlaced frames (in general terms odd lines and even lines when flashed together make up a whole frame).

As media distribution has changed... DVDs, Blu-Rays, Internet streaming... we now have the option of Progressive frames (whole frames) which yield a much better presentation.

4K is technically 4096x3072 pixels which is a whopping 4 times the resolution of 1920x1080.

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Owain
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Oct 10 2012, 1:22am

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Ok I've been asked to re-post the 4K cinema locator in this thread... [In reply to] Can't Post


I posted this awhile back but thought it might be useful as people begin to purchase their tickets.

The following resource is a worldwide locator for all Sony 4K projection systems.

Regardless of whether you are seeing it in 2D 24fps, 2D 48fps, 3D 24pfs, Real 3D, IMAX etc. etc. etc....... please consider seeing it in 4K.

This resolution is 4 times the resolution of what you are currently used to seeing (film or digital).

I have seen a couple of movies (The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo and The Dark Knight) in 4K Digital Projection and it is the purest image I have ever seen. (Rich/deep black with definition, incredible color). It's the closest thing to the DNG or Digital Negative you are going to see.

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Click here for the resource.


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Fardragon
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Oct 10 2012, 6:44am

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Weird. Reigate is on that list. [In reply to] Can't Post

I went to Reigate Cinema once, the screen is slightly smaller than my TV!

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Mithrandír
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Oct 10 2012, 7:50am

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I'm not sure how much stock I would put in this list [In reply to] Can't Post

Among other, it says that Oslo kino doesn't offer 3D, which it has for the last 4 years or something like that.

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Phibbus
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Oct 10 2012, 11:52am

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4K vs 35mm [In reply to] Can't Post


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This resolution is 4 times the resolution of what you are currently used to seeing (film or digital).

Note that the actual resolving power of 4K digital and 35mm film are almost identical (some 4K projectors are very slightly higher than 35mm, some very slightly lower.). 4K is great because it gets digital back to an image with the same level of detail as film.

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Elenorflower
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Oct 10 2012, 11:57am

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maybe its a silly question [In reply to] Can't Post

but are there any of those wrap around screens available? maybe they only exist in Disney world or places like that? I suppose its not such a relaxing experience as you probably have to move your head more to take it all in, and maybe I just imagined these screens and they dont really exist. It wouldnt be the first time. Crazy


Gorgori
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Oct 10 2012, 11:59am

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For Canadian audiences...... [In reply to] Can't Post

So, after trying to see theatres in Canada with that link about a dozen times, and having it crash my browser each time (maybe cause I'm using my iPad??), I decided to email Cineplex Odeon myself. I was shocked how fast they replied. This is what she said:

Hello,
 
Thank you for contacting Cineplex Entertainment. We have not yet confirmed the details for the distribution of The Hobbit in our theatres. More information will become available closer to the film’s release date.
 
If you require further assistance, please do not hesitate to contact us.

So, I would have thought the theatres would have know by now, seeing how it's only two months away, but there you go.... Canada left behind once again...FrownCrazyTongue


Fardragon
Rohan

Oct 10 2012, 12:01pm

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Wrap around screens [In reply to] Can't Post

are usually used in themeparks in conjunction with shaking floors and similar FX. They usually show specially made films. If there is any standard format for such things I don't know of it.

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Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 10 2012, 12:16pm

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4K vs. 48fps [In reply to] Can't Post

I'm not sure it was entirely necessary to lock your newer thread, since 4K and 48fps are separate issues. We know that the high frame rate version will have a very limited initial release, but many theaters will be showing TH in 4K (and locating those theaters will be a little trickier than finding out the small number of 48fps venues once they're announced.)

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Owain
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Oct 10 2012, 12:23pm

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Except that the final resolution [In reply to] Can't Post

Of film answer prints from the master negative are closer to 2K and Digital projection has been primarily 2K up until recently.

Hence the importance of 4K Digital projection.

The DCP is as close to the DNG as you can get without any generational loss unlike film.


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Phibbus
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Oct 10 2012, 12:31pm

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Perhaps [In reply to] Can't Post

You have an IMAX Dome/Omnimax theater nearby?

Personally, I can't stand watching regular movies on a wrap screen. As Fardragon said, they usually film a certain way for the intended medium, and I've noticed that true Omnimax features keep the main action very clearly in the center. The last regular feature I saw in a dome was Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban, and my neck was killing me by the end because so much of the action was framed at the edges. It was like watching a tennis match.

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Phibbus
Rohan


Oct 10 2012, 12:47pm

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Yeah true [In reply to] Can't Post

There's generational loss. But when I scan internegatives or final positives, the typical resolution is still way higher than 2K. It breaks down a bit at 4096 px, but you can see that information is already starting to get lost at 3840.

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Kendalf
Rohan

Oct 10 2012, 12:48pm

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Yep, I emailed my local cinema a few days back... [In reply to] Can't Post


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My city is more than twice as small as Trondheim and they'll be showing it in 48fps here.



Then Lucky You! Cool

I've just received an email back from the Managing Director of my local cinema (in Ambleside in Cumbria [UK]) and she's confessed that they have no plans to upgrade and that, as far as she can tell having spoken to distributors that very morning, the nearest cinema showing it at 48fps will be in Birmingham...over 150 miles away!!!! Crazy

Yes, I'm interested in seeing this new frame-rate with my own eyes; no, I'm not that interested! Laugh

PS I used the 4K locator, though, and that proved more fruitful; there are two cinemas about 45 minutes drive away that may be showing that version. Nice.


Patty
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Oct 10 2012, 12:48pm

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Thanks so much for this, Owain. [In reply to] Can't Post

I've been wondering what the difference was for years.

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Patty
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Oct 10 2012, 12:56pm

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This brings to mind one of our "IMAX" theaters here in Indy... [In reply to] Can't Post

I'd never been there before and went to see The Avengers in IMAX 3D. That screen was smaller than many regular screens. I'm soo glad I didn't wait till The Hobbit came out before going there only to find that tiny screen. Any Indy viewers--avoid Trader's Point IMAX!

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Elenorflower
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Oct 10 2012, 3:12pm

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WOT? [In reply to] Can't Post

not even in Manchester? thats a bit odd.

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