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Fardragon
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Oct 8 2012, 9:38pm
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The censors won't give a film a higher clasifcation
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because it includes ugly little freaks with buck teeth and excessive ear hair (otherwise Tom Cruse films would never be shown in the UK).
They will give a film a higher classification if it includes beheading though.
It actually make sense to go for a lower classification on film 1 than films 2 and 3, since children who enjoyed the first film will be a year older by the time the next one comes out.
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DanielLB
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Oct 8 2012, 9:53pm
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Does that really make a difference?
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It actually make sense to go for a lower classification on film 1 than films 2 and 3, since children who enjoyed the first film will be a year older by the time the next one comes out.
The classifications are 12, 15 and 18. They couldn't increase TABA to 15 after 1.5 years.
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Carne
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Oct 8 2012, 10:15pm
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Really depends on what is beheaded
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LOTR got away with a PG-13 rating because orcs don't count as human, and whenever there's blood coming from a creature it's usually black, so it doesn't count as blood.
I remember Empire doing an interview with PJ and Del Toro where they both said they were aiming at a hard PG-13 (ala LOTR). I don't think that has changed so I think we can expect more flying heads and limbs.
In Norway it's rated 11 which is about the same as a PG-13.
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Túrin_Turambar
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Oct 8 2012, 10:44pm
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There was that scene in ROTK when the orcs catapulted the human heads into Gondor
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I thought that was one of the "gorier" scenes of the trilogy, but perhaps this doesn't strictly count as "beheading" as we don't actually witness the decapitation process.
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Carne
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Oct 8 2012, 10:48pm
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And we only see dried blood.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 9 2012, 2:41am
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Some of that was pretty graphic. There were moments when I wondered if
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the studios had paid off the board to get that rating, considering the Lurtz scene. Then I remembered where I live, and how only harmless nudity is wicked, while gruesome violence is welcomed with open arms.  Lots of orc heads, and not a shot of Arwen's lovely bum. Lol. Oh well.
I really don't see that a flying head is any better than flying guts. And orcs are certainly humanoid, even if they are not human. I hope the violence is reasonably visceral in effect, but not blatantly gruesome. And what happened to Lurtz was kinda gruesome. The Battle of The Last Alliance, I thought, was presented in a way that would be pitch perfect for The Hobbit, especially for the first film. Gritty, hard hitting, but not gory/ filled with dismemberment. LOTR got away with a PG-13 rating because orcs don't count as human, and whenever there's blood coming from a creature it's usually black, so it doesn't count as blood.
I remember Empire doing an interview with PJ and Del Toro where they both said they were aiming at a hard PG-13 (ala LOTR). I don't think that has changed so I think we can expect more flying heads and limbs.
In Norway it's rated 11 which is about the same as a PG-13.
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Oct 9 2012, 8:25am
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it doesn't count as "real" blood, just fantasy blood, so it doesn't spike the gore meter as much.
A rating generally comes with a short listing of reasons which indicates what sort of issues merited the rating. For instance, ROTK was rated PG-13 for "intense epic battle scenes and frightening images", while other types of movies might get the same rating for swearing, "adult themes", drug/alcohol references, etc. It also depends on quantity: The King's Speech got its R rating purely on the repetition of swear words. It's an odd system in many ways.
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Fardragon
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Oct 9 2012, 8:40am
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The King's Speech is a 12 in the UK
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Tim
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Oct 9 2012, 2:23pm
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There's less realism in black blood. Heck, there's less realism in obviously fake red blood - less realism means less immersion. The kids can tell its fake, it doesn't hit the "ick" meter nearly as hard.
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Oct 9 2012, 11:44pm
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They'd still have the "violence, frightening images and scary situations" categories to throw at it.
It's not a terribly good system for actually telling you what age people should be to watch a movie, but it can give you a little advance notice of what sort of objectionable material might be encountered, which is helpful if, for instance, you don't mind bad language or nudity but don't want to watch gore and violence, or vice versa. Of course, that's what complicates it - not everyone finds the same things objectionable, so the ratings board just objects to everything and then lets the audience sort itself out. 
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 10 2012, 12:14am
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Its a butt backwards dumb system, in many ways.
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Ohh, so many silly, Victorian ways. lol it doesn't count as "real" blood, just fantasy blood, so it doesn't spike the gore meter as much.
A rating generally comes with a short listing of reasons which indicates what sort of issues merited the rating. For instance, ROTK was rated PG-13 for "intense epic battle scenes and frightening images", while other types of movies might get the same rating for swearing, "adult themes", drug/alcohol references, etc. It also depends on quantity: The King's Speech got its R rating purely on the repetition of swear words. It's an odd system in many ways.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 10 2012, 12:17am
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Because in the UK there is more common sense weighting about
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what is corruptive and traumatic and what is not. There, beheadings = very bad, swears are taken in stride and buttocks are understood to be things that everyone has and knows the look of.
Where I live, sady, beheadings are cheer fodder, swears are heavily scrutinized (at least by the ratings boards) and buttocks can evidently make you go blind from their high sin content. lol
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Fardragon
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Oct 10 2012, 6:36am
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Oh, there can be a lack of common sense in the UK too.
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The BBFC is very literal. If you actually show beheadings and blood you get a high rating, but implied violence, which can be argued to be more disturbing, since the images are formed in your head, is passed without comment.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 11 2012, 9:15pm
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I hear you, but that makes so much more sense, even with its flaws, than
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the way things are handled here in my, dear, U.S.A.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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