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Joe20
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Oct 8 2012, 4:52am
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The level and style of violence in The Hobbit trilogy
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Its quite obvious now that The Hobbit trilogy is definitely going to be a much lighter affair than that the LOTR trilogy, as it is in the books, however this got me thinking. Will that translate to the violence and warfare that we see in the films. The Lord of the rings films featured a lot of gritty battle sequences which included decapitations and the cutting of limbs, blood spurting out etc, and it worked really well.
Do you think that will be lacking in the Hobbit films due to the more lighthearted nature of the films and story? I for one hope not, as I thought it really helped ground LOTR in reality and show the the dangers that our fellowship were experiencing. I am afraid that it might. For example the during the 2nd trailer we see Óin running past a goblin and knocking it on the head... not exactly the gruesome kills we saw in LOTR. (And yeah I know that such comedic elements are present in the lord of the rings e.g Sam with the frying pan and that its just a trailer)
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pulpfiction16
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Oct 8 2012, 5:12am
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I imagine that the first film will very much be the softer, more 'cartoon'-ish sort of violence (smacking over the head, and what not), but, by the third film with the Bot5A that the tone and violence will become much grittier ala the Lord of the Rings films. It'll be kind of like what Guillermo talked about on the forums back when he was going to direct and regarding the colour palettes shifting and the notion that by the end of the Hobbit, the fairy tales of Middle Earth are over. So, I very much assume that the violence will reflect that, so as to not make a jarring transition (when viewed in order) to Fellowship's violent, gritty prologue.
Sorry about the thousand usages of 'gritty' in my paragraph.
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titanium_hobbit
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Oct 8 2012, 5:32am
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Don't forget this- it will be huge. gory and violent.
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AinurOlorin
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Oct 8 2012, 6:00am
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My hope is that they are reasonable and not excessive.
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Lots of children will be seeing these movies, and considering the book they were based on, that is as it should be. I think the level of gore found in, say, The Avengers might be a good model. Lots of crunch and slash, but without lingering long enough for things to become genuinely gory. I would hope they would, especially for the first movie (perhaps for the first two), stay away from anything as wrenchingly graphic as the confrontation between Aragorn and Lurtz.
"Hear me, hounds of Sauron, Gandalf is here! Fly if you value your foul skins, I will shrivel you from tail to snout if you step within this circle!"
"Do not be to eager to deal out death in judgement. Even the very wise cannot see all ends."
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Mr. Arkenstone (isaac)
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Oct 8 2012, 7:02am
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I´m not shure, I feel that when we will get violence on movies there will be violence the same way than LOTR, it is humor that I feel is gonna be brighter than LOTR.
By the way, when we will see the EE extras in cronologycal order PJ and Co are gonna get younger and younger!(nosense thought)
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Nor will I be responsible for his fate - Doh!
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DanielLB
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Oct 8 2012, 7:06am
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I can't imagine the level of violence will be any different
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You have Bolg - a very grotesque looking a Orc whose job is to torture. You have the Battle of the Five Armies - full of blood, gore and guts. Azog and Thror. The Necromancer and all his necromancy. Trolls that want to squash the Dwarves into jelly. Beorn who puts a Goblin head on a spike.
And many more examples that I've missed!
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Joe20
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Oct 8 2012, 7:16am
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No question there will be a lot of action in battles etc
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...its just how will that violence be portrayed. Will it be done with a lot of blood and guts, as in LOTR, or will they perhaps move away from that and present it like something you would see in one of the Narnia films?
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DanielLB
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Oct 8 2012, 7:23am
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There won't be any blood and guts shooting out
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As otherwise the rating would be pushed up. There will still be plenty of physical violence though - such as beheading and branding.
It's been a while since I've watched the 3 Narnia films - but I don't recall much physical violence. There's battles and sword fights, but never any beheading or arms being cut off?
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Joe20
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Oct 8 2012, 10:50am
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...and a bit of the second, so i'm not the biggest expert haha. But it just lacks that gritty realism that we find in LOTR, at least I think. I would hate for the Hobbit to feature that sort of fantastical warfare. ...Even though its a fantasy novel 
I just hope they strive for that reality, that PJ and Co. talk about on behind the scenes of the dvd's.
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Hanzkaz
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Oct 8 2012, 1:27pm
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Going by the trailer (some spoilers) -
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- there will certainly be violence and death.
Most likely, there won't be any death amongst the 'good guys' - including minor characters - (apart from flashbacks) at first, but there should be evidence that Middle-Earth is a world where violent death is not uncommon (Gollum's cave and the Troll's lair may be shown to contain the remains of past victims).
In the first movie, some of the bad guys may be dealt with in ways that don't involve dismemberment (stabbing, throwing from a high place, bludgeoning -or setting on fire, etc). Later as the story gets darker (and Bilbo himself becomes more of a warrior) we will see LOTR-style battles.
For a 'children's book' , there is a lot violence in the Hobbit. Between Smaug who causes tremendous loss of life amongst the people of Erebor, Dale and Lake-Town, the devastation of the Battle of Five Armies and the Dwarf-Orc War, the on-screen death toll has the potential to rival or even surpass that of the Lord of the Rings movies..
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easterlingchief1
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Oct 8 2012, 1:33pm
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There will probably be little moments of gore interspersed throughout the action
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I think the level of violence will be on the same level as the Trilogy. That is to say, I think there will be moments of slight gore interspersed throughout the relatively bloodless but exhilarating action scenes.
If you slow down the second trailer (around the part where Thorin's VO is going on about "I would take these dwarves over any army") you'll see an example go what I mean. Whiel the wares are running through Golbintown, One of the dwarves (Ori, I think, based on the hair) disarms a Golbin who is menacing them with a sword. Then Gloin runs past and gives the same Golbin a good WHACK in the face with his pole arm. If you look at the last few frames, there is a small spurt of black blood coming out of the Goblin's face (he's not facing camera).
The moment reminded me of the moment in Fellowship where Aragorn decapitated the Moria Goblin in Balin's tomb. You can just barely see it if you're watching it at full speed. If you slow the film down, it's actually a pretty graphic moment. But because it's edited in with all the chaos of the battle, your mind only subconsciously registers it when you see it for the first time.
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GoodGuyA
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Oct 8 2012, 3:04pm
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Toning down the action would be a shame
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I think people really forget about how absolutely grand an visceral the fighting in LotR was, instead just focusing on the cheesy moments. But all the times you see them battle orcs, it gets incredibly tense and brutal. The stunt and camera work in those films for the action alone deserves an Oscar!  I want to see rough and gruff fighting all the way. It's PG-13 still for a reason, people! Let's see some eviscerations!
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Elenorflower
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Oct 8 2012, 4:21pm
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of the Goblins, I am getting quite a strong sense of 'horror' genre. They look pretty gruesome and scary. I think the scenes in the Goblins caves will be quite intense and violent. I also think the warg sequence and the spider sequence will be violent too. i think the Troll sequence may be less so and be 'funnier' but this is just supposition.
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painjoiker
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Oct 8 2012, 6:01pm
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"Tell me where is Gandalf, for I much desire to speak with him"
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I just saw FotR, and when Celeborn said that line, everything that came to mind was "Hmm, he may have discovered the truth" then realizing how much you, DLB, have screwed with my mind...
The Internet have ruined the movies for me!
"One does not simply walk into mordor"...
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painjoiker
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Oct 8 2012, 7:28pm
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Laughter is the best medicine
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Bombadil
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Oct 8 2012, 7:45pm
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The Only Guts I Remember was When
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" Meats back on the Menu Boys"
Edge of Fangorn.
Looked like an Intestine flew into air
as they butchered him
Out of Frame.
Quickly cut away to M&P crawling away.
Other places the implyed Gore was
Just out of Sight.
I remember PJ saying that they descided to keep
Blood spurting.. to a minium.
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Lacrimae Rerum
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Oct 8 2012, 7:58pm
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I was thinking about this the other day (well sort of)
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There seem to me to be some quite scary creatures knocking about in the current films. I wonder slightly if we will see some differences in tone (and to an extent, innocence) within different strands of the story.
By this I mean that I wonder if Bilbo's somewhat more innocent perspective on his adventure (as presented in TH) might be shown within a slightly darker world as seen by others such as Gandalf (perhaps more akin to the ME of LOTR).
Thus we, as the audience, might see more of the scarier elements of the tale, whilst our protagonist might, in some ways, be sheilded from them.
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He does it at least five or six times during the trilogy. 
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