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Gollum's ultimate "fate"?

CyberGhostface
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Oct 5 2012, 11:11pm


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Tolkien wrote the following:

"to the ultimate judgement upon Gollum I would not care to enquire. This would be to investigate Goddes privitee’, as the Medievals said. Gollum was pitiable, but he ended in persistent wickedness, and the fact that this worked good was no credit to him. His marvellous courage and endurance, as great as Frodo and Sam’s or greater, being devoted to evil was portentous, but not honourable. I am afraid, whatever our beliefs, we have to face the fact that there are persons who yield to temptation, reject their chances of nobility or salvation, and appear to be ‘damnable’. Their ‘damnability’ is not measurable in the terms of the macrocosm (where it may work good). But we who are all ‘in the same boat’ must not usurp the judge. The domination of the Ring was much too strong for the mean soul of Sméagol. But he would have never had to endure it if he had not become a mean sort of thief before it

*Not quite ‘certainly’. The clumsiness in fidelity of Sam was ‘What finally pushed Gollum over the brink, when about to repent.

crossed his path. Need it ever have crossed his path? Need anything dangerous ever cross any of our paths? A kind of answer cd. be found in trying to imagine Gollum overcoming temptation. The story would have been quite different! By temporizing, not fixing the still not wholly corrupt Sméagol-will towards good in the debate in the slag hole, he weakened himself for the final chance when dawning love of Frodo was too easily withered by the jealousy of Sam before Shelob’s lair. After that he was lost."

Do you think therefore Gollum went to Hell or some variant or is Tolkien saying it's not up for him to decide?


(This post was edited by CyberGhostface on Oct 5 2012, 11:11pm)

Subject User Time
Gollum's ultimate "fate"? CyberGhostface Send a private message to CyberGhostface Oct 5 2012, 11:11pm
    Yes. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Oct 6 2012, 3:59am
        great question dijomaja Send a private message to dijomaja Oct 6 2012, 11:14am
            True, however elevorn Send a private message to elevorn Oct 8 2012, 1:52pm
    well, first let me say... weaver Send a private message to weaver Oct 9 2012, 2:39am
    Literary Cowardice II JWPlatt Oct 9 2012, 3:24am
        Well if you have an artisticall inspiration... Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Send a private message to Mr. Arkenstone (isaac) Oct 9 2012, 2:55pm
        Fictional characters often wander off to unspecified fates. Elizabeth Send a private message to Elizabeth Oct 9 2012, 10:18pm
            Rationalizations JWPlatt Oct 9 2012, 10:51pm
                Maybe you're misinterpreting FarFromHome Send a private message to FarFromHome Oct 10 2012, 8:49am
                    don't forget... dijomaja Send a private message to dijomaja Oct 11 2012, 11:02am

 
 
 

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