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elf_wannabee
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Oct 4 2012, 3:55am
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Do you reckon PJ will use the dragon firework released by Pippen and Merry . . .
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at Bilbo's expected party for his eleventy-first birthday as a model [or at least a foreshadowing of ] for Smaug? or is Smaug going to be more magnificent? Golden red is the color i think it should be!
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Elizabeth
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Oct 4 2012, 7:52am
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Honestly, that would show a serious lack of imagination! TH should be its own thing, not recycle characters, designs, memes, and concepts from LotR beyond what is necessary to tell TH's story in the same Middle Earth. This kind of recycling is why sequels and prequels so often fail both at the box office and artistically!
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FarFromHome
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Oct 4 2012, 8:20am
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the dragon-shaped firework itself, or the way it looks in the sky? I've never thought the two designs looked much like each other. And I recall from the EE extras that the original design for the exploding dragon firework was drastically simplified to that it would actually look like a firework, and not like a real dragon!
On the other hand, if the look of Smaug includes a nod to the designs in this scene, I think that would be fun. After all, when Gandalf made that firework in Bilbo's honour, he was obviously thinking specifically of Bilbo's adventure with Smaug, so he'd probably try to give it a certain Smauginess (if you'll pardon the expression  ).
They went in, and Sam shut the door.
But even as he did so, he heard suddenly,
deep and unstilled,
the sigh and murmur of the Sea upon the shores of Middle-earth.
From the unpublished Epilogue to the Lord of the Rings
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Loresilme
Doriath
Oct 4 2012, 2:03pm
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That's an interesting suggestion! It would tie in with the fact that Gandalf most likely made or brought the fireworks specifically for Bilbo's party, and if that particular one was meant as the grand finale (before Pippin & Merry grabbed it) it might certainly have been designed to resemble the dragon of Bilbo's grand adventure.
Now that you mention it, I hope they do that. At least, have it resemble that dragon, maybe from afar or from a particular angle!
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 4 2012, 6:58pm
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Gandalf never saw Smaug, as far as we know.
right?
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 4 2012, 7:29pm
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where was Gandalf between Dol Guldur and when he pops up in the camp with Thranduril and Bard?
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Lightice
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Oct 4 2012, 7:32pm
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Gandalf never saw Smaug, as far as we know.
right?
Doesn't matter. He had plenty of descriptions, as well as most likely lots of drawings and the like. And considering his age, he may well have seen other dragons in his day, as well.
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There&ThereAgain
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Oct 4 2012, 7:52pm
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and because I really doubt Gandalf needed to make an exact representation of Smaug to a group of hobbits who never saw nor will see a dragon (other than the Green Dragon  ) in their lifetime.
just a bit of mischief from a crafty old wizard.
"The world is indeed full of peril, and in it there are many dark places; but still there is much that is fair; and though in all lands love is now mingled with grief, it grows perhaps the greater."-J.R.R. Tolkien
"Thanks for the money!" -George Lucas
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Ring-Bearer
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Oct 5 2012, 2:58am
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Perhaps Smaug will be very loosely based on the firework, alluding to the fact that Bilbo knew a bit about dragons when Frodo was helping him run away from it during his party.
'What are we holding on to, Sam?'
'There's good in this world, Mr. Frodo, and it's worth fighting for!'
'I can't carry it for you, but I can carry you!'
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Fardragon
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Oct 5 2012, 7:12am
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Travelling in haste from Dol Guldur to the Lonely Mountain presumably
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One can hypothesise that he went on foot to Thranduil's palace, arriving shortly after Thranduil has set out to aid the people of Lake Town. He then borrows a horse and rushes to catch up, his foresight warning him of the impending conflicts.
In the movie, we may have a force of orcs and warg riders, led by zorc-Azog, heading the the same way, which Gandalf will have to race to arrive ahead of.
A Far Dragon is the best kind...
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Fàfnir
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Oct 5 2012, 3:36pm
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I don't think so, Thror's map dragon is more likely to look like him.
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Even if we don't know the exact design of Smaug, he will have four fangs, a long serpentish body and since we know Cunberbatch played him with motion capture on his face, he will be more expressive than firework dragon. They will just look a bit alike because they are dragons, but I don't see anything more. A best indication of smaug's design would probably be Thror's map, at least we know it represents Smaug : http://www-images.theonering.org/...orin-map-display.jpg
(This post was edited by Fàfnir on Oct 5 2012, 3:41pm)
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Bumblingidiot
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Oct 5 2012, 5:53pm
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I would hope for something beautiful and dangerous - not spectacular in the normally used sense of the word. For the main character, and the audience, it is the embodiment of a legend come to life - so it needs to combine the familiar folk notions of what a dragon is (as in the firework's representation), with the strange and terrifying reality of what a dragon actually is. I would think it will be the biggest design challenge for the film makers, for this reason.
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