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Eye's on Guard
Menegroth
Oct 4 2012, 3:16pm
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 Even all Americans should know about it. It's the first document to understand when considering the background of the English Civil War, the Glorious Revolution, and the American Revolution.
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Fardragon
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Oct 4 2012, 3:18pm
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We aren't talking about the majority of Brit's
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We are talking about the (Eton and Oxford educated) prime minister.
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Fardragon
Nargothrond
Oct 4 2012, 3:22pm
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between the king (John) and his people (well, Barons, but you can't have everything) setting out and putting some limits on the power of the monarch (i.e. state).
It's not so much the actual terms, but the precedent that was set, that makes it important to world history.
Literally, it means "Great Charter".
A Far Dragon is the best kind...
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DanielLB
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Oct 4 2012, 3:24pm
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Just because he went to Eton and Oxford doesn't mean much. His family obviously had money in their pocket, not knowledge of British history.
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Fardragon
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Oct 4 2012, 3:27pm
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is the most important thing a prime minister needs.
"those who forget the mistakes of the past are condemned to repeat them".
And this mistake is particularly worrying: "whoops! I forget the powers of the state where supposed to be limited",
Bring back Churchill!
A Far Dragon is the best kind...
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Fàfnir
Nargothrond
Oct 4 2012, 3:31pm
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Fàfnir
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Oct 4 2012, 3:35pm
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An hour of wolves and shattered shields...
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...when the Age of Men comes crashing down. But it is not this day !
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Lusitano
Dor-Lomin
Oct 4 2012, 3:44pm
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Theres one other quality prime ministers need.....the killer instinct.
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Tim
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Oct 4 2012, 4:00pm
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Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
King Arthur: Who are you who can summon fire without flint or tinder?
Tim: There are some who call me... Tim?
King Arthur: You know much that is hidden oh Tim.
Tim: Quite.
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Ataahua
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Oct 4 2012, 6:45pm
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but that image had to be removed as it's very oversized. Below are the image guidelines from TORN 201 in the WElcome section - feel free to resize the image and repost it within this thread.
Point 2.20
The specific guidelines for posting pictures within the message body of your post are as follows: the maximum size of any picture posted should be 525 wide x 400 pixels high (or a better measure is: 210,000 pixels squared - width x height), but no wider than 670 pixels. The maximum file size per picture should be 50k. The cumulative file size of all pictures in one post should not exceed 250k (5 pictures of the maximum filesize of 50k, 10 pictures of a filesize of 25k, etc.).
Celebrimbor: "Pretty rings..."
Dwarves: "Pretty rings..."
Men: "Pretty rings..."
Sauron: "Mine's better."
"Ah, how ironic, the addictive qualities of Sauron’s master weapon led to its own destruction. Which just goes to show, kids - if you want two small and noble souls to succeed on a mission of dire importance... send an evil-minded b*****d with them too." - Gandalf's Diaries, final par, by Ufthak.
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geordie
Dor-Lomin
Oct 4 2012, 9:42pm
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"Does Magma Carta mean nothing to you?..
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...Did she die in vain?"
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Shelob'sAppetite
Doriath
Oct 5 2012, 1:14am
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Agreed that agreements are dwarf-like
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Never said they weren't.
What isn't dwarf-like, on the other hand, are modern-style agreements written in the kind of legalese hobbit insists on, and using terminology such as "remuneration" and "out-of-pocket-expenses." Those are bourgeois hobbity terms and practices, and have nothing to do with dwarves.
It is these stylistic, and linguistic differences through which Tolkien makes his point about the gulf of distance between Bilbo Baggins and Thorin Oakenshield. Indeed, Tolkien makes many points through the use of varying modes of the English language, in both the Hobbit and LOTR.
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Reptile
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Oct 5 2012, 3:54am
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It looks like it's been amended,
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From the stitched on parts and marginalia, it looks like Bilbo had a chance to renegotiate on several terms before signing. In the scenes that show Bilbo running along with the contract fluttering behind him, I don't think I can see the added parts. It's neat how the sewn on pieces have sealing wax on the threads, just to make it all legit.
"If you listen closely, you can hear the gods laughing."
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Foromir
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Oct 5 2012, 7:53am
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Ah, should have known that - my bad! (resized image inside) //
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Fardragon
Nargothrond
Oct 5 2012, 10:19am
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I don't think these will be mentioned or visible in the movie
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they are just in-jokes, like the implicit reference to the internet.
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Reptile
Ossiriand
Oct 5 2012, 6:35pm
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I can see it clearly when I zoom in on that photo. So, it will be interesting to see whether Bilbo gets to have any say at all in negotiating the terms of the contract.
"If you listen closely, you can hear the gods laughing."
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